Side stand and punctures

Clive · Mar 24, 2023

Just a reminder from this morning's experience: went to get on the bike this morning to find that my back tyre had picked up a B***stard big nail on the way home last night and was almost deflated. Now unlike most owners I actually like the positioning of the side stand and don't find it at all awkward to use but because it sits the bike quite upright if the back tyre deflates it can sink just enough to tip the bike over. If your 961 happens to be proudly sitting next to your collection of bikes you could be looking at a very expensive game of dominos. I know it is a bit of a rare occurrence but if you are going to pick up a nail it is very possibly on your way home so it slowly goes down overnight/ in storage and the repercussions can be expensive. Paddock stand, which you very well may already have, takes less than a minute, or a nice secure front wheel chock(added security)?

cliffa · Mar 24, 2023

Thanks for the tip Clive.

Also a word of warning on the front wheel chocks. (As I have mentioned elsewhere). Obviously they also rely on the tyre being inflated. I found my classic Commando on the floor after a winter layup. Strangely the chock was still attached. There was a very slow puncture in the front tube. I managed to right the bike and stand, inspected the bike and was relieved that there was no damage. Then pumped the tyre up - BIG MISTAKE. I could not get the bike out of the stand

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Stephen_Spencer · Mar 24, 2023

Glad to hear you guys got away without damage.

I know there are a lot of subtle differences in our bikes, hey they are hand built, but bike height on the side stand seems to have the most variation. I put a foot plate under mine to make it sit more upright - the opposite of others difficulty. Although I’ve seen this topic before, I still haven’t given a second thought to what would happen if I got a slow puncture, whilst out and about.

I guess we’re more so talking about slow punctures we are not aware of, whilst not paying attention to the machine - so, generally at home, in between rides or during the off-season. Makes sense to me to have the rear wheel, or both, off the deck during any lay-up period.

Plenty of options available for paddock stands and I may have owner bias but, these are the best I’ve seen. Expensive but worth every penny - my main rides are sat on these and it allows me to move bikes around with ease.

Take a look.

Steve.

Dynamoto - Motorcycle Moving & Storage Made Easy.

Dynamoto revolutionary multi-directional motorcycle stands. Designed and manufactured in Australia and proven over years in demanding industrial applications. Engineered composite construction is robust but still gentle on floor surfaces.

dynamoto.com.au

cliffa · Mar 24, 2023

Stephen_Spencer said:
Glad to hear you guys got away without damage.

I know there are a lot of subtle differences in our bikes, hey they are hand built, but bike height on the side stand seems to have the most variation. I put a foot plate under mine to make it sit more upright - the opposite of others difficulty. Although I’ve seen this topic before, I still haven’t given a second thought to what would happen if I got a slow puncture, whilst out and about.

I guess we’re more so talking about slow punctures we are not aware of, whilst not paying attention to the machine - so, generally at home, in between rides or during the off-season. Makes sense to me to have the rear wheel, or both, off the deck during any lay-up period.

Plenty of options available for paddock stands and I may have owner bias but, these are the best I’ve seen. Expensive but worth every penny - my main rides are sat on these and it allows me to move bikes around with ease.

Take a look.

Steve.

Dynamoto - Motorcycle Moving & Storage Made Easy.

Dynamoto revolutionary multi-directional motorcycle stands. Designed and manufactured in Australia and proven over years in demanding industrial applications. Engineered composite construction is robust but still gentle on floor surfaces.

dynamoto.com.au

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They are the dogs danglies, but pretty expensive aren't they?

TonyA · Mar 24, 2023

David Coote warned about this some time ago . He had a Domi in waiting for service on the side stand. Slow tire leak and it went over and damaged the aluminum tank ! Very expensive mishap and he said the Domis are more prone to falling when this happens and Commandos with the USD forks . Use a paddock stand for cheap insurance.

Voodooo · Mar 24, 2023

Stephen_Spencer said:
Glad to hear you guys got away without damage.

I know there are a lot of subtle differences in our bikes, hey they are hand built, but bike height on the side stand seems to have the most variation. I put a foot plate under mine to make it sit more upright - the opposite of others difficulty. Although I’ve seen this topic before, I still haven’t given a second thought to what would happen if I got a slow puncture, whilst out and about.

I guess we’re more so talking about slow punctures we are not aware of, whilst not paying attention to the machine - so, generally at home, in between rides or during the off-season. Makes sense to me to have the rear wheel, or both, off the deck during any lay-up period.

Plenty of options available for paddock stands and I may have owner bias but, these are the best I’ve seen. Expensive but worth every penny - my main rides are sat on these and it allows me to move bikes around with ease.

Take a look.

Steve.

Dynamoto - Motorcycle Moving & Storage Made Easy.

Dynamoto revolutionary multi-directional motorcycle stands. Designed and manufactured in Australia and proven over years in demanding industrial applications. Engineered composite construction is robust but still gentle on floor surfaces.

dynamoto.com.au

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Another reason why TVS should keep the threaded bung for bobbins. I’m still not seeing why they discontinued them?

TonyA · Mar 24, 2023

Voodooo said:
Another reason why TVS should keep the threaded bung for bobbins. I’m still not seeing why they discontinued them?

I agree , and to your earlier point about the narrower bobins . Yes , my bobbins clear my exhaust hangers . A simple test with a straight edge will confirm your clearance. Stay away from the overly large yo-yo like bobbins !

Stu Bodycote · Mar 24, 2023

Nortons own bobbins used to foul....I still get the odd bike come in missing the right bobbin and a broken bit of thread still in the mounting.
They could have just altered the exhaust tbh....wouldn't have taken much effort. Guess I'll be offering a bobbin mount fitted service in a few years, once those bikes are out of warranty period then

Voodooo · Mar 24, 2023

Stu Bodycote said:
Nortons own bobbins used to foul....I still get the odd bike come in missing the right bobbin and a broken bit of thread still in the mounting.
They could have just altered the exhaust tbh....wouldn't have taken much effort. Guess I'll be offering a bobbin mount fitted service in a few years, once those bikes are out of warranty period then

So if they knew this, it would have been a breeze to just make smaller bobbins. Problem solved. Relying on a paddock to rest the bike on a flat swing arm is an accident waiting to happen.

Stephen_Spencer · Mar 24, 2023

cliffa said:
They are the dogs danglies, but pretty expensive aren't they?

There’s no doubt about that Cliffa, but they are very well built and should be a one time purchase. Clearly they solve other problems too, for those lacking in space or access. In the past I’ve played the juggle multiple bikes around the garage game - no easy feat with large bikes as we ‘mature riders’ get maturer!!

If I need to make more space quickly in the garage (mates bikes usually) I can push mine into the man-cave, through a standard door and around a rather tight pool table. Useful to say the least.

Certainly a retrograde step not having a facility for bobbins - they’ve included a tool for removing the unique dip stick shape, there was definitely scope for including low profile bobbins unique to that space - owners would just leave them in place, as is usual.

I’ve used universal cup bracket and ‘L‘ bracket/clamp paddock stand setup’s before, without any difficulty - a lot of bobbin type stands still come with universal cup brackets. Problem may be finding a universal solution that fits in the very limited space. Cup type stand brackets generally need more width than bobbin types do. No doubt there’s a solution but it’s more expense, given most riders will already have a paddock stand.

City Garage · Mar 24, 2023

TonyA said:
David Coote warned about this some time ago . He had a Domi in waiting for service on the side stand. Slow tire leak and it went over and damaged the aluminum tank ! Very expensive mishap and he said the Domis are more prone to falling when this happens and Commandos with the USD forks . Use a paddock stand for cheap insurance.

Every CR we have had in the shop and pre 2015 bikes we have worked on all had side stand issues. If the tires got low from lack of use or sitting, a slight breeze would blow them over. As a result, all 961 go on rear stands or Baxley chock(LA version) which is a nice ride-up chock

Gojuu · Mar 24, 2023

Stephen_Spencer said:
There’s no doubt about that Cliffa, but they are very well built and should be a one time purchase. Clearly they solve other problems too, for those lacking in space or access. In the past I’ve played the juggle multiple bikes around the garage game - no easy feat with large bikes as we ‘mature riders’ get maturer!! If I need to make more space quickly in the garage (mates bikes usually) I can push mine into the man-cave, through a standard door and around a rather tight pool table. Useful to say the least.

Certainly a retrograde step not having a facility for bobbins - they’ve included a tool for removing the unique dip stick shape, there was definitely scope for including low profile bobbins unique to that space - owners would just leave them in place, as is usual.

I’ve used universal cup bracket and ‘L‘ bracket/clamp paddock stand setup’s before, without any difficulty - a lot of bobbin type stands still come with universal cup brackets. Problem may be finding a universal solution that fits in the very limited space. Cup type stand brackets generally need more width than bobbin types do. No doubt there’s a solution but it’s more expense, given most riders will already have a paddock stand.

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@Stephen_Spencer its also important to be safe whilst your laying under a bike polishing the underside of it..........

City Garage · Mar 24, 2023

Never found a need fp

cliffa said:
They are the dogs danglies, but pretty expensive aren't they?

never found a need for a moving stand.

TonyA · Mar 24, 2023

City Garage said:
Never found a need fp

never found a need for a moving stand.

Stephen_Spencer · Mar 24, 2023

Gojuu said:
@Stephen_Spencer its also important to be safe whilst your laying under a bike polishing the underside of it..........

Absolutely Gj, I have a series of unique tools to go with my special products and techniques

! Luckily the wife has no idea what I’m doing with her toothbrush whilst she’s at work!!

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