S Type sacrilege

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I'm thinking of mounting a complete S type exhaust system on my Mk 3, so couple of questions.
How / where does that dog leg bracket mount, I know it's around the top of the shock mount, but will it still fit with the extra hinge bracketry (hinge long removed) of the Mk 3 frame.

Looking at the silencer supports, they don't look strong enough to me ( no problem to be told otherwise) and was thinking of making a extra bracket going from the Z plate upwards to the silencers .

What do you guys reckon.
sam
 
The S type mounting is sketchy at best. Here's a few hints. Dogleg bracket mounts under the top shock bolt so it does take up a bit more space there. Not sure how your bike is configured there, but it can probably be done. If you can find an original one and beef it up around the elbow, that would be better than buying a new one. I got a replacement from RGM and it was a bit on the whimpy side. I had my old one fixed and used it. Make sure you use a strap on the silencer side of the mount, same mounting hole size as the bracket. Here's a write up I found a long time ago, but I never used it.

"I had a problem with my exhaust mount rubbers shearing after low mileage after I mounted a set of "S" pipes on my '70 Roadster. The original design of the rear mount looks too weak to me with just two rubber mounts holding both pipes. I worked up a new mounting system as follows: I used two stud-bolts (I used 2 Norton P/N 06-4688 studs (5/16x24) I had lying around) threaded one each into the mounting bosses on the two mufflers, then installed the flat bracket that holds the two mufflers together, then secured these brackets to the mufflers with backing nuts making a rigid assembly of the two mufflers. I then made a "sandwich" of rubber isolators over the two studs using a combination of Norton tank mounting rubber washers (06-0648) and drilled-out center rubbers from the original rubber mountings. Then fit the ends of the studs through the chrome "L" bracket with more rubber washers on the far side (need smaller OD washers here to fit inside the "U" shape - had to go search the hardware store to find some), then secured with flat washers and self-locking nuts.

This has worked well so far; the two stud bolts provide more strength for vertical shear forces from the weight of the mufflers. I have been careful not to tighten the lock-nuts too tight and not over- compress the rubber "sandwich" as the exhaust system needs some flexibility to vibrate with the engine independently of the frame.

This needs to be tight to keep the support, just not too tight. Hope this helps."

All the clearances everywhere are real tight. Make sure you use good clamps between the header and silencer, I found some called 'Moose' clamps, they cylindrical metal pieces the tightening bolt goes through, I replaced the bolt with an Allen head. Putting it together, assemble it all loosly, making sure everything clears, I put a block of wood between the primary case and the lower header and another between the 2 headers to keep clearance there while tightening things. Tighten from the rear to the front with the header roses last, the tightening the lower tube will tend to swing it towards the primary, you don't want that happening.

S Type sacrilege


S Type sacrilege
 
Hi Sam .... I have the original heat shields , both original brackets and exhaust pipes that I removed from my bike , back in the day .... the pipes are good and solid but chrome is pretty much gone the dog leg and shields look as if a good polish might bring them back .... all yours for the cost of shipping
Craig
 
The "S" dogleg mount is susceptible to cracking. However, I don't think "S" pipes will clear the MkIII primary case! I would try to find or borrow a set of used pipes to test fit before I invested the money in a new system.
 
Thanks for the info guys.
Craig, that's really kind, I might take you up on that but I have to admit to having already bought the pipes and silencers .
Ron, I take your point and hope otherwise, I've seen a Mk 3 over this side with S pipes, but of course the owner might have had the pipes specially made.
Will report back when I've actually tried to fit it all up in a couple of weeks.
sam
 
trident sam said:
Thanks for the info guys.
Craig, that's really kind, I might take you up on that but I have to admit to having already bought the pipes and silencers .
Ron, I take your point and hope otherwise, I've seen a Mk 3 over this side with S pipes, but of course the owner might have had the pipes specially made.
Will report back when I've actually tried to fit it all up in a couple of weeks.
sam

If the pipes don't fit, can I buy them off you, please?
 
Hi Paddy,
If I can't make em fit then sure you can. give me a couple of weeks as I'm sorting my Victor out for the spring at the moment.
sam
 
trident sam said:
Hi Paddy,
If I can't make em fit then sure you can. give me a couple of weeks as I'm sorting my Victor out for the spring at the moment.
sam

Many thanks - I'll try not to stick any pins in a model of a MkIII for at least two weeks then! :mrgreen:
 
Paddy,

Everything fits just fine (how many times can you say that with a British bike :shock: )
no fouling of the chaincase or anywhere else, so I'll be keeping the pipes.
cheers
sam
 
No I didn't and thanks to you for the post, I just went and checked . The bike is on the bench so I can't check it properly yet but the front guard does seem a lot closer to the right header pipe than I would like . I'll check it when it's off the bench, but it does look like I will have to sort something out.
sam
 
I forgot to mention that since it's not an issue on my bike and I forget easily. Been my understanding that the 71 and newer front mudguard will foul in the S pipes under hard braking. I'm sure that's not a comfortable feeling. Nelson was the first one to tell me about that.
 
Well, Nelson didn't think it was so great, especially trying to avoid something. He was pretty distraught. I forget what he did, probably took the S pipes off. You could put a 300-19 tire on and make a mini mudguard. I don't know if just removing the guard will do it.
 
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