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First post here. I have a '75 850 Interstate and am currently looking at a '69 S Model. Does anyone know what numbers range the S models are in? What would be a fair price for a two owner 1969 S ? It's appears to be all original except for the yellow paint. The bike has a patina but not rusty. Any suggestions?
 
Price is what the market will bear. How much do you want it? How much is it worth to you? If you need info, I'm the 2nd owner if this one, bought it in 72 with 4K on the clock, 13K now.

S Model frame #'S


Dave
69S
 
DogT said:
Price is what the market will bear. How much do you want it? How much is it worth to you? If you need info, I'm the 2nd owner if this one, bought it in 72 with 4K on the clock, 13K now.

S Model frame #'S


Dave
69S


It's beautiful Dave! I would like to paint it that blue if I buy it. The present owner bought it in '71 and has had it ever since.
 
Does it run, any upgrades, original condition, need lots more information? Most Nortons that run and look decent go from anywhere around $5-10K depending on lots of things. Got any pictures? Do the numbers on the frame/engine/gearbox match? Not that it means too much. There are a lot of upgrades that can be expensive if they have not been done, how many miles on it, rebuilt? Too many questions. No easy answer, need lots more info. There was a thread recently on an early bike, Roadster, not sure of the price but it looked good and seemed to have a lot of the necessary work done on it. will-probably-buy-this-commando-t11334.html

Dave
69S
 
DogT said:
Does it run, any upgrades, original condition, need lots more information? Most Nortons that run and look decent go from anywhere around $5-10K depending on lots of things. Got any pictures? Do the numbers on the frame/engine/gearbox match? Not that it means too much. There are a lot of upgrades that can be expensive if they have not been done, how many miles on it, rebuilt? Too many questions. No easy answer, need lots more info. There was a thread recently on an early bike, Roadster, not sure of the price but it looked good and seemed to have a lot of the necessary work done on it. will-probably-buy-this-commando-t11334.html

Dave
69S

Original condition, Around 15,000 miles. Engine original.Isolastics just gone over, Front TLS brake setup correctly. Numbers match with a build date of March 1969. The frame number puts it in around the 300th built.
 
DogT said:
Price is what the market will bear. How much do you want it? How much is it worth to you? If you need info, I'm the 2nd owner if this one, bought it in 72 with 4K on the clock, 13K now.

S Model frame #'S


Dave
69S

beautiful!
 
dirtymartini said:
Original condition, Around 15,000 miles. Engine original.Isolastics just gone over, Front TLS brake setup correctly. Numbers match with a build date of March 1969. The frame number puts it in around the 300th built.
Original engine condition is not good. It has the slotted pistons which tend to come apart with lots of high revving, like racing. Still has ball bearings in the cranks, you need superblend rollers in there. March 69 is real early for the S, like you say probably within the first 300. Earliest S I've seen on this forum is 131874 APR 1969. Mine is 132031 APR 1969. If it runs good, and you don't thrash it, it will probably be fine, but at some point you are going to need to get the engine apart and upgrade a few things. You need to check the swingarm to cradle slop. If it has any, that's due for an upgrade. If the trans hasn't been apart, the mainshaft bushings tend to come apart at that mileage. If it runs fine and doesn't smoke, you've got a good one, but I bet you're going to be putting money into it pretty soon. It has the central oil tank and the timed breather off the left side of the crank which can be dealt with in a couple of ways because they usually leak down through the air filter and onto the top of the gearbox and then on from there. Ask me, I'm easy.

A good picture would really help, we can pick it apart.

Dave
69S
 
Welcome Dirtymartini, My brothers Fire Flake Blue 1970 750 S is what got me going on these bikes. Cj
 
Dang, that's nice. Probably not original paint, but everything looks there.

Doesn't really matter how much it costs, just how much you want to give for it.
 
swooshdave said:
Dang, that's nice. Probably not original paint, but everything looks there.

Doesn't really matter how much it costs, just how much you want to give for it.


I hear ya....and I really,really want it!!!
 
Tell him if he looks at the right side , he will see the mufflers have fallen off .So its probly only worth fifty bucks .
And see what he says . :wink: :mrgreen: (might pay to see if he can spot a joke first . He might not talk to you
if he missinterprates it ) .
 
Looks like it is mostly there. Does the owner have the air filter? How long has it been run without it? Not good. If you buy it and want to keep the Amal's I have an original air filer unit that I took off when I went to a single Mikuni. PM me. If it has the original fiberglass tank that can be a problem with corn gas. The gas will eat the epoxy holding the tank together and coat the inside of your carbs and head. If the slides on the carbs are sticking open the damage has begun. It must be lined but that is not a universal fix. A steel gas tank is in your future and since you want to repaint not a big deal. If it runs and goes down the road under it's own power any price under $5,000 would be a good deal. Over that it comes down to how much you want it. I ride with group that has 750's , 850's, Roadsters, Interstates and we trade bikes on rides. My 750 "S" is a favorite as it feels lighter more nimble. Good luck lot's of good information here on this forum.
 
Couple of things I see. No ham can air filter. It's been repainted and the decals on the panels are incorrect, they should be parallel with the ground, common mistake, see mine. The aluminum looks like it could use a polish, not a big deal, at least it doesn't look like it's been stored outside. The front tyre looks too big to be on the original front fender. The front tyre on mine is a 300-19 and the fender is maybe 3/4" away from the tyre, I bet it's a 71 front fender and stays to fit that tyre, not a big issue unless your looking for originality. Can't see the clocks and air control (choke). If original it should look like this.

S Model frame #'S


Notice the air control is part of the brake lever assembly, and the clutch lever mounts on the handle bars top to bottom, not front to back. The headlamp shell has a high beam indicator on the left, 3 position switch central, ammeter top. Check for the solid green globe clocks too.

Check the dogleg bracket that mounts the rear of the silencers where it takes a bend and turns to go down for cracks, you may have to look with a mirror from the inside.

The seat, at least the cover is not a 69/70, again probably 71 seat cover. Notice on mine the thickness is the same dimension front to rear, about 3 1/2" deep. Again if not worried about originality, not a big issue as the later seats have more padding and are more comfortable for longer rides.

Given that it hasn't had any major work done on the engine (and probably the gear box) you are going to be looking at that expense pretty soon. I wouldn't give top dollar for it, but it's how much you want it and how much they are willing to take. It all comes down to between you two.

Look at the pictures in this brochure to see what the 69/70 bikes looked like. http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Broch ... Norton.pdf

Dave
69S
 
DogT said:
Couple of things I see. No ham can air filter. It's been repainted and the decals on the panels are incorrect, they should be parallel with the ground, common mistake, see mine. The aluminum looks like it could use a polish, not a big deal, at least it doesn't look like it's been stored outside. The front tyre looks too big to be on the original front fender. The front tyre on mine is a 300-19 and the fender is maybe 3/4" away from the tyre, I bet it's a 71 front fender and stays to fit that tyre, not a big issue unless your looking for originality. Can't see the clocks and air control (choke). If original it should look like this.

S Model frame #'S


Notice the air control is part of the brake lever assembly, and the clutch lever mounts on the handle bars top to bottom, not front to back. The headlamp shell has a high beam indicator on the left, 3 position switch central, ammeter top. Check for the solid green globe clocks too.

Check the dogleg bracket that mounts the rear of the silencers where it takes a bend and turns to go down for cracks, you may have to look with a mirror from the inside.

The seat, at least the cover is not a 69/70, again probably 71 seat cover. Notice on mine the thickness is the same dimension front to rear, about 3 1/2" deep. Again if not worried about originality, not a big issue as the later seats have more padding and are more comfortable for longer rides.

Given that it hasn't had any major work done on the engine (and probably the gear box) you are going to be looking at that expense pretty soon. I wouldn't give top dollar for it, but it's how much you want it and how much they are willing to take. It all comes down to between you two.

Look at the pictures in this brochure to see what the 69/70 bikes looked like. http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Broch ... Norton.pdf

Dave
69S

Dave, thanks for all the good info. He has the air filter and rubber boots in a box in the garage. I forget why he said he took them off but he claims he hasn't ridden the bike with them off. It hasn't been licensed for the street for about ten years or so.

He did mention the oversized tires and incorrect seat. I would like to make it as original as I can If I buy it. As someone mentioned earlier the split pistons and main bearings are a ticking time bomb...and being the tinkerer that I am I probably would have to pull the engine and go over it.

How hard are the original fenders and seat to find. I haven't even started looking at my usual brit bike sources for parts yet.

As far as price, I am working on it. The problem is the bike gives me a big chubby and that's not helping!!!!
 
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