Powder coat barrels?

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What does the team think?

Will powder coat stand the heat on cylinder barrels or not? Are there any other issues that need to be considered?

I would like to return my '71 750 to the silver coloured barrels it would origonally had & wonder if powder coat will be sufficiently durable.

Bob.
 
I am a huge fan of powdercoat, I use it on everything, except barrels. I went so far as to spray my cases with the barrel this time.
It's great for things that don't make heat.
 
The guy that did my frame wanted to do my whole engine. He didn't seem to have any issues with the heat, I suppose there is powder coat that will take it. I would be concerned about it raising the temps though. He did say he had some Harleys.

I put duplicolor 1200°high heat aluminum, or maybe it was plasticote brake caliper paint silver on mine, I was a bit concerned about the fuel eating it, but I haven't had any troubles with it yet.

Dave
69S
 
DogT said:
The guy that did my frame wanted to do my whole engine. He didn't seem to have any issues with the heat, I suppose there is powder coat that will take it.

I bet he did, extra income for him. It's not that the powdercoat can't take the heat, it's that it doesn't let it out.

Just because they do something on a Harley doesn't make it a good idea. In fact if it's done on a Harley that's usually an indication to me to not do it. :mrgreen:
 
I don't think it's a good idea either. I didn't mean to indicate that because it's done on Harleys that it's a good idea either, I was just pointing out that it has been done, for whatever that's worth.

Dave
69S
 
DogT said:
I don't think it's a good idea either. I didn't mean to indicate that because it's done on Harleys that it's a good idea either, I was just pointing out that it has been done, for whatever that's worth.

Dave
69S

Maybe for bikes that sit in living rooms…
 
Its pretty common for big custom twins to have powder coated cylinders but its not a good heat conductor even on the kinds that can take the barrel heat. Its a bugger to repair at the depth of coat makes it obvious even if painted over, one can't just dab on more coat of the same mix and expect it to melt in evenly.

PJI epoxy paint likely covers more Commando barrels than all the rest combined.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/Depa ... otorcycle/

The '03 1st new edition Ms Peel barrels I did with Gun Kote in semi gloss black. Its sprays on in a few layers before baking but its very thin so does not cover over the basic surface texture. Its repair able by just spraying and running on down the road.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1150 ... GUN-FINISH
Powder coat barrels?


On the next edition Ms Peel she has Swain's Black Body Emission coating done.
http://www.swaintech.com/store.asp?pid=10298
Powder coat barrels?
 
Thankyou all for the swift replies.

So the answer is NO then. I thought it might be.

My wifes Mk111 that she sold a year ago, had a semi gloss black on the barrels that looked like powder coat, but was probably some kind of paint as there were certainly no signs of overheating.

I shall probably just clean mine up & overspray the existing matt black with silver & see how it looks. As a few of you have said, at least with paint it can be touched in when it gets damaged.

Thanks

Bob.
 
There was new fangled aero space high surface area paint in the Yoskimura GS1000 Era , or on the etc .
Microscopic spikey furry things , that gave it ten times the area for heat dissapation .
Vague recolection of neurosis of it filling up with gunk .Think I tripped over some from the Aircraft Mechanic Brother
dunno if the wipeing clean with a rag got it all coagulated and smooth looking inside a month .

Theres the fancy alluminum chromeing or whatever it is the use on headers these days too , Fake Alloy Barrel ? :lol:
 
Bobolink wrote;
So the answer is NO then.

I would say do it! If you want your Norton to look good with a durable finish.

On my 850, I had the barrels powdercoated and had no apparent issues. I don't doubt that it is a poorer heat conductor than paint, but caused me no known issues, even though I ride reasonably hard. It's not as if I were on the track.

When I got my Norton a few years ago, the barrels had been recently blasted and painted by a known supplier of Norton parts in the UK(not Norvil this time), and there was rust coming through all over. That's in part why I steered away from paint. Possibly if you do it yourself you could doa better job? The barrels with powdercoat did look good for the three years I was running them. I'm sure as said, a lot of you won't agree, but it's just my opinion.
 
They used ' vitrious enamel ' in the 60s , a kind of baked on glaze , hence chippig from stones if the front guard was short .
 
Matt Spencer said:
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Theres the fancy alluminum chromeing or whatever it is the use on headers these days too , Fake Alloy Barrel ? :lol:
Ceramic coating, (thermal barrier coating), would be a bad idea, would look good though.
 
Bobolink said:
What does the team think?

Will powder coat stand the heat on cylinder barrels or not? Are there any other issues that need to be considered?

I would like to return my '71 750 to the silver coloured barrels it would origonally had & wonder if powder coat will be sufficiently durable.

Bob.

The short answer is no.
Why? Because it’s a plastic coating.
If you want to paint the barrels, by far the beast method is a kind of stove enamelling, of the same heat resistant type you get on your white cookers; it has a specific name, Vitreous Enamel.
You can find a stove enameller who will paint it any colour under the rainbow. HTH
 
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When I got my Norton a few years ago, the barrels had been recently blasted and painted by a known supplier of Norton parts in the UK(not Norvil this time), and there was rust coming through all over. That's in part why I steered away from paint. Possibly if you do it yourself you could doa better job? The barrels with powdercoat did look good for the three years I was running them. I'm sure as said, a lot of you won't agree, but it's just my opinion.[/quote]

For the rust you should blast clean the outer fins then, and here’s the problem, have the whole barrel dipped in an acid at the enamellers to kill the rust!
The fact that the inside of the barrel will also get dipped –I don’t know any other way round this except to brush it on. The acid is nasty.
 
How a PHD says no powder coat on barrels:

Powder Coatings Clinic

Marek Urban, Ph.D.
University of Southern Mississippi-Hattiesburg


Thermal conductivity of powder coatings

Q: I would like to know what the thermal conductivity of powder coatings is. I want to determine if a powder coating applied to an aluminum heat sink will degrade the effect to dissipate the heat. B.J., Virginia Beach, Va.

A: Thermal conductivity of powder coatings is more or less the same as any other thermosetting polymer network, which compared with other nonpolymeric materials is low. The term that is often used is thermal diffusivity,which is a function of thermal conductivity, heat capacity, and density. Thermal diffusivity is also a function of temperature, which may vary from system to system; that is, it may decrease, increase, or not change with temperature because thermal conductivity and heat capacity may exhibity opposite trends. The main difficulty is that thermal conductivity and heat capacity cannot be separated experimentally.

While the above concepts apply to polymeric networks, one may alter thermal diffusivity by using highly conductive additives, like metallic pigments and other nano-particles that may effectively alter thermal diffusivity and, subsequently, thermal conductivity and heat capacity. In all cases, not only the pigment type but also the pigment volume content (PVC) will create another opportunity for altering thermal conductivity and heat resistance.
 
I've thought about using the Swain-Tech Black Body Emitter coating on a set of cylinders .
I had their thermal barrier coating applied to the piston crowns and combustion chambers
of my track Ducati but haven't run it enough to get an idea as to whether or not it will
have a significant benefit .

Ron
 
If not racing land speed events in desert or Daytona in summer time its a non issue to mildly insulate by power coating and does look nice. I've had header Aliminized ceramic coated, outside too, by coater mistake, came out like vintage Al tube lawn chair finish, no way to mistake if for chrome finish that's for sure. Could polish is of course for shiny Al lawn chair finish of course. The real heat build up to avoid is the head which is a darker Al alloy that can't be brightened like the cases or covers.

BTW Al is the most shinable metal there is and reason space mirrors are made with it but realize its a two way mirror so IR photons that carry heat away bounce back inside too.

Powder coat barrels?
 
rond944 said:
I've thought about using the Swain-Tech Black Body Emitter coating on a set of cylinders .
I had their thermal barrier coating applied to the piston crowns and combustion chambers
of my track Ducati but haven't run it enough to get an idea as to whether or not it will
have a significant benefit .

Ron

I use a ceramic black emitter coating on all the barrels I do anymore. Obviously not necessary but it does work.

I played around with a couple barrels in my oven several years ago. I found it took about 5 minutes longer for a factory painted barrel to drop from 300F to 200F than the emitter coated barrel did. That was in still air with a thermocouple in the front center head-bolt hole.

Not a show stopper but I did see the barrel temp on my bike drop by around 10 degrees F. measured at the top rear center of the barrels at highway speed. That was in comparison to the rattle-can black engine paint that was on it before. Jim
 
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