Poll: would you buy a Norton EV ?

Would you be SERIOUSLY interested in buying a Norton EV?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • No

    Votes: 31 96.9%

  • Total voters
    32
  • Poll closed .

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This poll is asking the following question:

Assuming Norton made an electric sports bike that was on a par with the others in terms of performance and range, and assuming it was ‘premium‘ in terms of spec and priced ‘premium’ ie several £k above the others… who on here would be seriously interested in buying one?
 
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Assuming Norton made an electric sports bike that was on a par with the others in terms of performance and range, and assuming it was ‘premium‘ in terms of spec and priced ‘premium’ ie several £k above the others… who on here would be seriously interested in buying one?
I voted, but it's a bit unfair as I wouldn't be buying a new ICE Norton either. Or from another manufacturer. Still, people died for the vote, so I am using it! 😆

I would probably like to see it tho, and would welcome its manufacture as a committed fan of the (old) brand. In fact I'd welcome any new bike coming out of Solihull that people can actually buy/ use/ see on the street...
 
This poll is asking the following question:

Assuming Norton made an electric sports bike that was on a par with the others in terms of performance and range, and assuming it was ‘premium‘ in terms of spec and priced ‘premium’ ie several £k above the others… who on here would be seriously interested in buying one?
This one's hard! If I ever buy a new car, it will be all electric. If I ever buy a new motorcycle (never have in my life), I would consider all electric but would be much more likely to buy a new Triumph in the classic line.

My current car is a 2011 E350 Mercedes that I bought new but has less than 50k miles. I clearly don't drive much so an EV makes a lot of sense for me.

The electric bike races at the TT are averaging about 120mph where the superbikes are averaging about 130mph so they certainly can go (but for less laps)

The fastest road-legal electric motorcycle is the Lightning LS-218, which goes from 0 to 60 mph in 2.2 seconds and reaches a top speed of 218 mph: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/8-fastest-street-legal-electric-motorcycles-can-buy-2022/

It even looks like a modern bike (I look I don't like) rather than an EV.
 
I would not be interested in actually buying one, but they are fun around town, I rode a Zero once at the Americade bike meet once. 0-60 is very nice, but without a clutch, and gearbox, it's really boring in the twisties.
 
A provocative question, with a clear and expected answer.
Just say no.
In no went meant to be provocative.

Like all forums and pubs across the land, we talk a lot, we often talk utter shite too! Folk like to debate the pros and cons of EVs but I’m really interested in the bottom line, who would seriously consider dropping £35-£45k on an EV Norton?

Defining success is not about asking people what they’d like, what they think is good, or even what they want. It’s about understanding what people are genuinely actually prepared to pay for…
 
It's a interesting one personally the answer is no.

It's also interesting because I'm firmly in the target audience that Gladwell mentioned in the interview someone else posted in the other thread.

Mid 30s ex graphics industry pro (print) (currently re training after our family company closed) ex Pro Photographer.

Already own 4 Nortons, 1927, 1944 16h's 67 650ss, 68 Commando.

I've in total had over 30 motorcycles everything from superbikes, race bikes a gp bike, ex Nw200 an Iom 675 Daytona race bike. An a slew of Adventure bikes small capacity to large adv's bmw 1200gsa te 2014, 1200gs te 2018 Rallye, 300 Rally, ktm390, Himalayan.

Everything I had that I no longer had got used year round (obv apart from the race bikes) one Norton as many know I rode as a daily for 4 years.

That's my background now onto why I wouldn't buy an electric motorcycle an certainly not a 50k Norton which seems what they are aiming for.

So I use my motorcycles for every aspect of motorcycling.

Both the 1200gs's both premium bikes had major faults, displays failing, issues with the ESA suspension, not being able to unlock your filler cap at a petrol station because the Keyless glitched. The last one was a 2018

Then the feel of flybywire and the lag for me is really noticable absolutely can't stand it. Away from the beemers we rejected two ktm 390s 2021 bikes that were riddled with electronic issues again with the displays and fly by wire and one with random issues.

The new Himalayan coming with flybywire just stopped me buying it along with the almost oversquare engine and high level of tech they are cramming on it.

The other side if it is I saw the huge investment in the print industry once everything went digital for 100k to 500k quid investments to be worthless within a year. While the old kit kept keeping on.

That's with industrial kit let alone a small marque and low production electric bike.

I can just see with the electrification the next thing will be subscription based stuff and it doesn't appeal.

I think there's a reason alot of us are going back to film photography, Vinyl etc.

For me there is no way I'd spend on a premium electric motorcycle as you can guarantee it'd be next to worthless before you knew it or to find out the batteries will cost a huge percentage of the cost of the bike to replace looking at EV cars.

The other side of it is Norton are mentioning in the odd interview electric superbikes. Have they taken a look at the state of UK roads recently. 20mph speed limits and some roads that are so potholed they are looking like dirt tracks.

The other aspect is range I personally think if they do EV they should look at something similar to an old big4 lower power great looks an concentrate on range that's the biggest issue with EV.

Not everything is about outright performance.

I'd sooner see investment in synthetic fuel Porsche are spending alot of money into it with the fuel companies I can see EV being a stop gap. Till that tech becomes to fruition.

For me in this high tech world motorcycles are my escape from it.

I was actually joking with dad that if they banned petrol motorcycles over here I'd look at a different country.

It'l be interesting to see everyone's viewpoint on this one Eddie it's it's excellent question.

Ev is obv coming even RE are developing the Him-E electric adv, but with the high rate of progression and redundancy and loss of value in tech there's no way I'd spend the sort of money Norton will no doubt be talking about with the end of the market they are now aiming at.

Been there done that with stuff in the past that ends up either none usable or worthless.

I always think buy what you love no matter what it is I love my vintage Nortons they cost me but if they ended up worthless I wouldn't be bothered because I still love them.

I think motorcycles are a visceral thing to.

I think we are probably one of the biggest Norton sites so itl be interesting to see if it appeals to anyone on here.
 
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While I appreciate reading other fellow owner opinions, asking this specific customer group about an EV should raise obvious answers, no?
I would have thought that the reply would be totally straight cut.
If Norton do an e-bike, it sure won´t be us buying it.

And generally:
How bizarrely bad, unusable, hateful and desperate must a product be that the only way to force people to buy it is to actually put it into law and take away any other option???

Come to think of it, I can´t recall anything like this happening at any time in history, especially on the scale of one of the defining life- and work-forming product groups, industries and areas of activity. And to think that regardless of all this forced upon us, the actual effect these drastic changes are supposed to bring will grossly miss the marketed target, makes it ever harder to deal with. It is beyond ironic.
 
I voted yes but there would be all sorts of proviso’s which I doubt could be met with current (oops pun) technology, especially around range.
 
I voted yes but there would be all sorts of proviso’s which I doubt could be met with current (oops pun) technology, especially around range.
The question clarification in #1 stated ‘on a par with others‘ in terms of range and performance, so NOT assuming some hitherto unattainable breakthrough in those areas and nor on price either !

Still, it’s good to know we’ll have at least one member on here with one to let us know how it goes etc.
 
I have no interest in ANY EV, other than a free ride on/in somebody else's.

My money isn't voluntarily going there. EVER.

I can't wait for the day when some of my TAXES no longer go there (without my consent)
 
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no, as bikes have a long way to go-literally! before the EV range is good enough, and I predict that won’t change significantly for at least a decade. The thing that might change quicker is the recharging time, as some of the new battery architecture is going in the right direction, but still at least 5 years away, at a guess, unless they adopt the F1 ‘ quick development ‘ model, which is starting to be learnt from.
 
In no went meant to be provocative.

Like all forums and pubs across the land, we talk a lot, we often talk utter shite too! Folk like to debate the pros and cons of EVs but I’m really interested in the bottom line, who would seriously consider dropping £35-£45k on an EV Norton?

Defining success is not about asking people what they’d like, what they think is good, or even what they want. It’s about understanding what people are genuinely actually prepared to pay for…
OK, the poll is more clear now. I would be shocked if Norton came out with ANY bike worth more than 20K and there's no reason to think that they can come late to the game and actually compete! IMHO Norton has very long way to go - when they started again, I thought I wanted one, but three dealers in the US with no stock changed my mind real quick. They supposedly have more now, but still no bikes to touch where I've looked. So, no, I would not buy a Norton EV.
 
And generally:
How bizarrely bad, unusable, hateful and desperate must a product be that the only way to force people to buy it is to actually put it into law and take away any other option???
The Green-Nazis justify it because it will save the planet.
The sky is falling, can't you see it?😭
 
A seriously loaded question FE🤣 - you could probably remove ‘Norton’ from the title!

It’s a ‘no‘ for me - and that’s unlikely to change any time soon.

The reason I love the 961 is that you know you’re riding a motorcycle with every fibre of your being (riding ‘mode’ = seat of your pants). A modern water cooled classic is far removed from that and an EV, the antithesis. ‘Appliance mode’ doesn’t really interest me.

Don’t think anybody’s gonna buy a bike of any type until they see it and assess its performance. I’m interested to see what Norton comes up with though - TVS is pumping a lot of money in and have considerable experience. They may surprise us with their offerings.

Those opposed to EV’s on principle will probably always be so, which is perfectly legitimate IMO - with our average age they’ll likely never be forced upon those guys. I remain open minded though - just maybe there could be a positive somewhere ‘down the track’.

Norton needs to be onboard the electrification train though, otherwise our kids/grandkids won’t be able to buy a Norton motorcycle - not to mention the fact that without an EV future TVS would not have bought the company and we wouldn’t be able to buy a Norton either. Of any type!

Then who would we not get our spares from😁?
 
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In 2018 here in Australia I brought a new 1200 Triumph Thruxton for $17k and a new Norton at the time was $35k+, I have a love of my old Norton which I brought new for $1999 on the road 47 + years ago but a EV Norton, what price would they be and travel our vast land most outback service stations run their own Gens to power everything, you think they are going to cater for EVs charging, and how long it takes to do a recharge and the distant between charge, around the same time 2018 I was at a Harley dealership who had a EV Harley but when asked how far on a charge and was told 125km I just laughed at the salesman, our Sunday rides we clock up 450km sometimes more, maybe things have changes since then but still and of course the faster you go the less distant you will go.
How many EVs travel across the Nullarbor plains from South Aus to West Aus even on motorcycles you got to carry extra fuel as some places the distant between fuel stops is to great, even trains have to refuel 1/2 way across and they have to transport the fuel there first and gen power to be able to pump it in the middle of nowhere.
Then how many times can you drain the batteries before they need replacing at big cost, then what most motorcycle owners want to hear is a roar of the engine not just a winding noise.
So its a big no to any EV in my opinion if I want to do long cross country runs here, might be OK in the UK and Europe but here in Aus its just not practical and now we get idiots in power saying they going to set up charging stations ever 120km, bet that won't happen on the Nullarbor plains or anywhere else in outback Aus.
Then the fuel companies are putting in more charges at a big cost to them and to do a recharge is going to cost just as much as fuel and even with my Land Rover with long range fuel tanks I can fill it up completely in and away in 5 minutes, how long does it take to do a recharge.

Ashley
 
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