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Pazon's Digital Electronic Ignition with Idle Stabilization (2011)

Discussion in 'Norton Commando Motorcycles (Classic)' started by rick in seattle, Jul 10, 2011.

  1. donmeek

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    Re: Pazon's Digital Electronic Ignition with Idle Stabilizat

    looking at some of the old posts and the new pazon. only one person said he has had no trouble with his old boyer, so why replace? i can't help but agree. i have NEVER experienced any of the bad things that have been described on the forum with the boyer. no kickback. idle all day at 1000 in florida heat starts 1st or 2nd kick, runs smooth all the way to 6500 (single mikuni). perhaps the problems are not with the unit itself, but the set up of the particular bike? i do agree that setting it up initially at 5000 rpm is a pain in the ass, but that was 6 years ago and haven't touched it since!
     
  2. concours

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    Ancient thread, but, my newly fitted Altair, kicks back like a SOB, 7 of 10 starts. I NEVER had this issue with the Boyer.
    Static, then strobe and seat-of-the-pants feel/sound says there is not too much initial advance.
    I e-mailed Pazon, no response yet.
    I think the idle stabilization logic is being active at kickover speeds....
    I’m a big guy, good knees, (like to keep ‘em for a while longer) so there are no half-hearted kicks. Meanwhile, the fold out part of the kicker is now bent, and the pawl will be next.
    Anyone else?
     
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  3. kommando

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    Ask them how many triggers from the magnets on the rotor before the box starts to make a spark. The non digital version needs 2 triggers to calculate the speed of rotation before the first spark and this makes big singles nearly impossible to start as the crank is slowing to a stop before the first spark appears on the third trip past TDC, in a twin it could give a kickback. They do a special version for big singles, but weirdly you have to ask for it.
     
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  4. concours

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    I’ll ask them... if they respond. I’d like to try and figure out if I’ve got a bad one, or if they all are designed that way. Then I’d know which direction to head with alleviating the problem...
     
  5. kommando

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    I can't help other than put out the info I know about the analogue version, its standard to all the Pazon analogues and is different from the Boyer sleep function which only needs one trigger event to wake up. Only way I found it was helping out a friend who put it on his B50, got spark when the plug was out and earthed but it would not start with a kick, I came round and being more used to singles could get it going but he had to bump start it where the piston gets past TDC more times than on a kick. I then read through the instructions and noticed the change to the wake up from the sleep function, it needed 2 trigger events that told the box the engine was doing more than 200 rpm, only then would it wake up and make a spark. Once I had that worked out my friend went back to Pazon who confirmed it and after some time made up a new box that took longer to go to sleep. So now he can kick start it as long as the kick is just after the ignition is turned on, if the kick fails then he has to turn the ignition off and then on just before the next kick.

    Only Pazon will know if this wakeup carries across to the digital, it has to have a wakeup function to protect the coils from a constant current flow if the ignition is on but the engine is not started.

    Try turning the ignition on just before kicking, you should have 5 sec before the box goes to sleep. If that works then its the sleep function and you need a longer interval before it goes to sleep.
     
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  6. marinatlas

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  7. marinatlas

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    Just to say than now they supply a new rotor , not the same that I had (in 2015) but unfortunatly you cannot swap them , you must buy the full ignition kit , pity ...........after that I had put the bike in the shed , and use Sure fire which are so easy and cheap........!
     
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  8. batrider

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    The only problem with mine was that the round PC board with the pickups was slightly small in diameter and had some slop which caused some problems during the initial install. I had to align it with approximately equal gaps on the pickups. I probably have an earlier one. At the time Andy did say that they were having the board changed.
    The only other problem was that I recommended this to a friend and he was not happy with it. He is not very heavy and has trouble starting my bike too when he comes to the east coast. He contacted Andy and tried out a modified version but still wasn't happy.
    I'm very happy with mine but feel the need to present both sides
     
  9. concours

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    I had to use three toothpicks to eyeball center it too
     

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