P11 Side Stands

I am wanting to replace my home made side stand on my 1967 P11 with an original side stand. As I browse thru the threads on this subject I don't find much info that seems valuable for my needs.
I have the parts book "Spare parts catalog 1963 through 1970".
The first two sections, of the three in this catalog, seem to apply to my needs.
So I have the IPB with part numbers listed.
It also appears to me that the side stand prop leg was revised, just based on my observation of parts noted over the years. Longer, shorter, skinny leg, thick leg, big beaded foot, slimmer leg/foot combo, etc.
Besides the correct P11 high pipes, this P11 side stand issue seems to trouble me the most.

So here is the catalog IPB with the numbers from the first two sections that I think apply.
Note that the leg/foot are what I call the last version.
And that 014719 uses a bolt and nut for pivot, rather than a press fit pin.
so here is my question -
Since ALL of the mounting parts #90-97 were the same, what does the exact correct prop leg look like, and what distinguishes it from the others?



It seems to me, this last smaller leg/foot prop stand leg was designed to clear the low pipes of later model P11......or maybe stronger, smaller foot might fit a street model with a cleaner look, etc

Here is my best picture of a P11 on the OEM type side stand.

here is a repro DIY set on ebay .

here is a compare set from my photo files.

I do not need conversation on what is available now, I know all the new repro offerings, thank you.
However I notice none of the reproductions discuss length. or any dimensions for that matter.

None of them show an install on a Norton.

Well one of them does list dimensions I captured.
Looks too skinny and too long ......and it is "complete"????

I believe this is just a prop leg and spring.


Somehow this does not look like a good length replacement for the P11 pictured above.

here is another listed as "fitting a P11" .

Looks too short for 1967 P11.

I am getting off track, I need a photo hopefully with useful dimensions to allow me to identify an original 1967 Norton P11 sidestand.

I see Norton prop legs for sale on Ebay all the time.....some seem good, others are bent, broken.....no telling how nice the pivot bore is.

p400 said:

So here is the catalog IPB with the numbers from the first two sections that I think apply.
Note that the leg/foot are what I call the last version.
And that 014719 uses a bolt and nut for pivot, rather than a press fit pin.
so here is my question -
Since ALL of the mounting parts #90-97 were the same, what does the exact correct prop leg look like, and what distinguishes it from the others?
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It seems to me, this last smaller leg/foot prop stand leg was designed to clear the low pipes of later model P11......or maybe stronger, smaller foot might fit a street model with a cleaner look, etc

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Not sure what the meaning of "IPB" is. If the catalogue says all mounting parts apply to the G15 models (to which the prop stand 014719 was fitted), that would be wrong. The G15 models have a boss in the frame which is the pivot for prop stand. The stand has a fork which embraces the boss.

As for the drawing showing a prop stand with the smaller foot, this revision is P/N 034070. It was also a replacement part for the "big foot" version, which is P/N 034048. 034070 is listed for the P11A (and, although not stated, the P11 Ranger) only, which makes it clear the new pad became necessary due to the low-level exhaust pipes.

I have been told a supplementary list for the Ranger does esist and would expect 034070 to be listed there as well. I am sure Anthony Curzon could verify this. I doubt leg 034048 fits the Atlas - why should it have a prop stand different to the 650SS?

Part lists for the "hybrids" show a certain lag throughout and there are numerous errors unfortunately.

Regards,
Knut Sonsteby

p400 said:

here is another listed as "fitting a P11" .

Looks too short for 1967 P11.


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I have this one on my '67 now. It works OK on pavement, really solid feeling even if a bit heavy. The foot/base does not entirely lay flat on the floor, just the outer tip does. The bike stands at a good angle but because the base is not flat against the ground, it will probably sink into the dirt or sand, FYI. Looking for an alternative leg but will keep the clamp which fits good.

Sorry, IPB stands for Illustrated Parts Breakdown.....and I did leave off 034070, which was probably most important, and the subject of the illustration.
As 034070 was the latest version.....one piece, small foot.

So it would be nice if we could get photos and dimensions on 034048 and 034070 prop-stand legs

here is corrected IPB


And it appears the 014719 leg is always bolted on with bolt, nut, and split pin....and a different spring.

p400 said:

here is a compare set from my photo files.
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This was a picture I took and posted. The top leg is from a Ranger 750. The bottom leg is from a '67 P11. The photo from eBay labelled Soma765 was cast from a mold made from the leg in the top photo (thicker leg). It was purposely made longer because the stock leg was designed for the featherbed and is considered short for the P11. That is why the leg offered by Joe at Eurotrash (photo in second post) is longer than the one he offers for the Atlas.
Most of the reproduction legs are cast as one piece with the foot and the foot is much thicker than the original.

If you are hoping to find an NOS original stand, I wish you luck. The stand that was cast (Soma765) from an original supplied by my compadre is by far the closest to exact replacement, but the fellow that made it is not interested in finishing them for sale. He made a few when he cast one for his own P11. There was not enough interest for him to cast any more (he still has the molds).

The 1967 parts list shows the P/N for the leg as 23877 and the fulcrum pin as 16174.
1968 parts list shows P/N 034070 for the P11A leg and P/N 033278 for the fulcrum pin for P11A

This has all been discussed on this forum before.

Ron L said:

This has all been discussed on this forum before.

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Thanks Ron, I looked thru all the threads I could stand to read on P11 side stands and it was nothing but peoples opinions and experiences relating to aftermarket replacements. I could find no real information on simply the prop leg for a P11. And No one, and I mean no one, posts any photos or useful dimensions of anything.
It is all blah blah blah.
Some of the postings are quite lengthy as if trying to establish some sort of credibility, but leading nowhere.

Thank you for posting the above leg picture in a P11 thread long gone. It was a rare, high quality photo. Unlike the uncropped, out of focus cell phone photos of current technology.

Can you please post the dimensions of the legs you might still have?
from bottom of pivot hole to foot insert joint.
I will provide your photo, only need ABC.

Thank you also for being a VIP member.

Here is a crop of UK registered RGO45E side stand photo from early 67. Just more 67 data. does not mean all P11 wore this stand.

Interesting that the upright support, for this photo op, is on the side stand for the photo.
They kinda wedged the support between the stand and its spring.

You can see the hollow in the bottom of the cast foot.

p400,
I don't have the late style "fat" leg here, so it may take me a couple days to get my friend to measure it.

p400 said:

Here is a crop of UK registered RGO45E side stand photo from early 67. Just more 67 data. does not mean all P11 wore this stand.

Interesting that the upright support, for this photo op, is on the side stand for the photo.
They kinda wedged the support between the stand and its spring.

You can see the hollow in the bottom of the cast foot.


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I have this hollow type foot casting side stand and it measures 6 1/2" from the bottom of the hole to the where it meets the foot casting.
see picture.

Cheers,
Thomas

P400,

I measured the three stands I have out in the shop. All are the narrow (early style) and like Thomas reports, your dimension 'B' is 6.5 inches. These early stands are not round, but oblong and slightly tapered from top to bottom. At the top of the stand where where the clevis begins, the oval is 0.80 " by 0.60" and tapers to 0.60" by 0.50" at the attachment of the foot. The longer measurement being perpendicular to the length of the bike.

The later style stand leg is round. I'll post the dimensions when Bill digs one out of his shed. I am certain that dimension 'A' will also be 6.5 inches, but I'll confirm that when we have it in hand.

I found a couple side stands in my inventory, probably my Ebay purchases from 2015.
One seems 6.50", the other 6.375", however the shorter one has a curve that I used a cloth tape rule.
I will ck further.

p400,
Here is a shot of the Barber Museum P11a which I took a couple of years back.

Cheers,
Thomas

Sorry for the late response. Technical difficulties kept me from logging in for the last week.

On the 'fat' leg from a Ranger 750, the dimension 'A' is 6.5 inches. The diameter 'C' is measured in two dimensions, parallel to the frame and perpendicular to the frame. Measured at the clevis end it was 0.80" perpendicular and 0.75" parallel. Measured at the foot it is 0.78" perpendicular and 0.75" parallel.

Compare this to what I measured on the earlier leg, 0.80" X 0.60" at the clevis and 0.60" X 0.50" at the foot.

p400,
Just an FYI as I just came across this:
http://www.britcycle.com/Products/06/06_7719a.htm
With instructions.
Cheers,
Thomas