Norton trouble

worntorn said:
80% of electricity produced in North America is generated by burning fossil fuels.
That all electric car one purchases is actually powered by coal in many areas.
In other areas it is powered by the burning of natural gas.
In Hawaii it is powered by burning bunker C oil.
Yes, it would be better for the environment just to burn the fossil fuel directly in a modern fuel efficient vehicle, no lithium mine required. That fact is difficult for people to comprehend.
Most think electric vehicles sort of power themselves cleanly somehow. It probably helps create confusion when the manufacturers call them " Zero Emission"

Glen
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Not too many people have a power gen plant near them, so the eco-nazis know that out of sight - out of mind.
Loud, polluting cars are everywhere, so it's easy to convince the public that they must be replaced with "clean" electric vehicles.
This will create a Utopia. It's all a scam.

But, if you figure it out, the eco-nazi's have an answer - replace all the fossil power plants with clean solar and wind power.
The only problem is that this is virtually impossible to do.

We live in a power hungry society that requires "on demand power", whether the Sun is out or not, whether the wind is blowing or not.
Since there is no way currently to store excess electrical energy, what happens at night when the wind is calm?
How much on demand electricity will be available when there are no more fossil power plants.
How much hydo power is available?
Hydo power plants and damns kill fish - another no-no for eco-nazis, how long will hydro plants be allowed to operate.

This whole conversion to "clean" energy hasn't been thought very well.
It's the political activist's version of the fashion of the day.
Don't think it through, just barge on ahead and create chaos.
 
italia said:
Spot on with this info. My wife is an electrical engineer (power systems) and consulted with a leading auto manufacturer on EV's. Generally speaking, EV's have a somewhat lighter carbon footprint than fossil fuel vehicles, but not nearly as 'zero' as the general public (and EV owners) want to believe.
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Is a zero emissions vehicle perpetual motion?
 
Norton trouble
 
BritTwit said:
Not too many people have a power gen plant near them, so the eco-nazis know that out of sight - out of mind.
Loud, polluting cars are everywhere, so it's easy to convince the public that they must be replaced with "clean" electric vehicles.
This will create a Utopia. It's all a scam.

But, if you figure it out, the eco-nazi's have an answer - replace all the fossil power plants with clean solar and wind power.
The only problem is that this is virtually impossible to do.

We live in a power hungry society that requires "on demand power", whether the Sun is out or not, whether the wind is blowing or not.
Since there is no way currently to store excess electrical energy, what happens at night when the wind is calm?
How much on demand electricity will be available when there are no more fossil power plants.
How much hydo power is available?
Hydo power plants and damns kill fish - another no-no for eco-nazis, how long will hydro plants be allowed to operate.

This whole conversion to "clean" energy hasn't been thought very well.
It's the political activist's version of the fashion of the day.
Don't think it through, just barge on ahead and create chaos.
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Hmm, I think you're a bit behind the current thinking on this. A quick google search brings up pages such as this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Denmark
or
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-47-of-power-from-wind-in-2019-idUSKBN1Z10KE

Looking at the latest available statistics for Danish energy, we see that in 2018 some 60.5% of the total electricity production came from renewable resources - 40.2% from wind, 15.3% from biological fuels (wood chips and waste) and 5% from solar, biogas and hydro power sources. Last year (2019) this was about 47% from wind power alone.In September last year, for the first time wind power energy production exceeded domestic power demand over a 24 hour period.

All this from a small country which is (almost) as flat as a pancake, so no large hydro power sources. We can however import hydro power from Norway, where they have heaps of it.
One way of solving the "no wind, no sun" problem is to send surplus power back up to Norway to pump water up to a holding dam, releasing it again when demand exceeds supply.

Lots of ways to do this, but only if people see the possibilities instead of the problems.

Actually, that sound very much like the requirements needed to own a Norton :)

Back to more motorbike-ish topics I think though.
 
Steve,
Whilst it is commendable that countries are leading the way with renewables, we have to recognise that circumstances are different. The U.K. is 6 times larger than Denmark and significant parts of Scotland and Wales are uninhabited meaning that we have some pretty densely populated urban conurbations - with the attendant demand for energy usage. London alone has a greater population than Denmark. As Fast Eddie said in another thread, if only 5% of motorists switched to Electric vehicles the U.K. energy suppliers could not cope with demand. We agree that something needs to be done but renewables may not be the sole answer in “over developed” countries - a range of options are needed. Add to the mix the total miles of road in the U.K. compared with Scandanavian countries and the total number of vehicles that need replacing and we are facing different challenges(I read that the U.K. has the highest number of personal vehicles per head of population in the West - not sure if that is true but it was contained in a report about EV)
  • The current population of the United Kingdom is 67,743,116 as of Wednesday, February 5, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.
  • The United Kingdom 2020 population is estimated at 67,886,011 people at mid year according to UN data.
  • The United Kingdom population is equivalent to 0.87% of the total world population.
  • The U.K. ranks number 21 in the list of countries (and dependencies) by population.
  • The population density in the United Kingdom is 281 per Km2 (727 people per mi2).
  • The total land area is 241,930 Km2 (93,410 sq. miles)
  • 83.2 % of the population is urban (56,495,180 people in 2020)
  • The median age in the United Kingdom is 40.5 years.

  • The current population of Denmark is 5,784,050 as of Wednesday, February 5, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.
  • Denmark 2020 population is estimated at 5,792,202 people at mid year according to UN data.
  • Denmark population is equivalent to 0.07% of the total world population.
  • Denmark ranks number 115 in the list of countries (and dependencies) by population.
  • The population density in Denmark is 137 per Km2 (354 people per mi2).
  • The total land area is 42,430 Km2 (16,382 sq. miles)
  • 88.2 % of the population is urban (5,107,903 people in 2020)
  • The median age in Denmark is 42.3 years.
 
Man has created and done what was previously viewed as impossible through out recorded history .... I love my ICE and easy electrical power ..... however change is in the wind ..... a Man did walk on the Moon ,imagine ..... only thing constant in our World/life is change , not that I actually like it , but it the truth ....
 
Eljahara said:
..something needs to be done but renewables may not be the sole answer in “over developed” countries - a range of options are needed.
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Exactly, until a workable (affordable, economic) cleaner energy solution is found, we will need fossil power to provide the on demand reliability of our nation grids.

Denmark is a nice example, but any nation with a large manufacturing base, and many densely populated urban areas will need fossil power for the foreseeable future. I’m pretty sure that Luxembourg could probable switch to 100% renewable energy tomorrow, if they haven’t already, but their economy doesn’t have the intense energy requirement of many others. As other energy sources become practicable, they will replace fossil power, but the crazy folks on the left who want to turn off fossil plants tomorrow are being wildly premature. Common sense has to prevail.

Make haste slowly.
 
Getting back to the thread...

The current demonisation of Petrol vehicles and their owners means that a manufacturer of said vehicles (Norton) is not an attractive option for a current investor - especially one using old school designs and tech rather than looking forward. We are all nostalgic in relation to the Norton marque but I think we have probably seen the end.
 
I think that after all the ugly particulars are exposed about the latest incarnation of the Norton brand, the margue will be toxic to many potential investor, or investor groups.
Such a shame.
 
BritTwit said:
I think that after all the ugly particulars are exposed about the latest incarnation of the Norton brand, the margue will be toxic to many potential investor, or investor groups.
Such a shame.
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You never know, dare I say it, the way things are going, someone might come up with an Electric Norton!
 
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Eljahara said:
Steve,
Whilst it is commendable that countries are leading the way with renewables, we have to recognise that circumstances are different. The U.K. is 6 times larger than Denmark and significant parts of Scotland and Wales are uninhabited meaning that we have some pretty densely populated urban conurbations - with the attendant demand for energy usage. London alone has a greater population than Denmark. As Fast Eddie said in another thread, if only 5% of motorists switched to Electric vehicles the U.K. energy suppliers could not cope with demand. We agree that something needs to be done but renewables may not be the sole answer in “over developed” countries - a range of options are needed. Add to the mix the total miles of road in the U.K. compared with Scandanavian countries and the total number of vehicles that need replacing and we are facing different challenges(I read that the U.K. has the highest number of personal vehicles per head of population in the West - not sure if that is true but it was contained in a report about EV)
  • The current population of the United Kingdom is 67,743,116 as of Wednesday, February 5, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.
  • The United Kingdom 2020 population is estimated at 67,886,011 people at mid year according to UN data.
  • The United Kingdom population is equivalent to 0.87% of the total world population.
  • The U.K. ranks number 21 in the list of countries (and dependencies) by population.
  • The population density in the United Kingdom is 281 per Km2 (727 people per mi2).
  • The total land area is 241,930 Km2 (93,410 sq. miles)
  • 83.2 % of the population is urban (56,495,180 people in 2020)
  • The median age in the United Kingdom is 40.5 years.

  • The current population of Denmark is 5,784,050 as of Wednesday, February 5, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.
  • Denmark 2020 population is estimated at 5,792,202 people at mid year according to UN data.
  • Denmark population is equivalent to 0.07% of the total world population.
  • Denmark ranks number 115 in the list of countries (and dependencies) by population.
  • The population density in Denmark is 137 per Km2 (354 people per mi2).
  • The total land area is 42,430 Km2 (16,382 sq. miles)
  • 88.2 % of the population is urban (5,107,903 people in 2020)
  • The median age in Denmark is 42.3 years.
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and Norton made about 400 x 961s....apparently.....!
 
200 SE s to start with , sport/SF/CF /dominator/domiracer , ltd ones etc , I estimated 3000 at one point , where the figure of 400 come from John ?
 
BLIGHTYBRIT/SF said:
200 SE s to start with , sport/SF/CF /dominator/domiracer , ltd ones etc , I estimated 3000 at one point , where the figure of 400 come from John ?
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It was an ironic comment linking the population of the UK to Norton’s output over the last few years....the 400 figure appeared on this site a few days ago...and is not authoritative! Steve
 
Doncha find it remarkable that we can find out how many Brough Superiors were produced from 1919 to 1940, or how many Rudge Ulster’s were produced in 1939, or etc...

But in 2020 we can’t find out how many bikes Norton made last year!

It must take quite a lot of effort to keep it so secret!

Why...?
 
Ask Steward Garner
Then divide by 4 and subtract the half. The Digits must "talked high" to get some Money from the goverment and Bank.

I think the most bikes are running in UK.
Ollie has 52 bikes in his customer file.(ikl. bikes from Danmark, Sweden,Italy, France and UK)
Egli has sold also a lot of bikes.
Some Dealers hve ordered bikes last year ore longer and have got no bikes. (for all bikes is the deposit lost)

Cheers
Panetone
 
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