Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue

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To my knowledge, there have been few (or no ?) Model 7 build threads here, so its time to remedy that.
As we all know, the Model 7 was Nortons first parallel twin.
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


Designed by Bert Hopwood at Nortons in 1947 and 1948, he was specifically brought in to do the design.
Having worked with/for Edward turner on the triumph twin projects in the late 1930s and postwar.
And subsequently went to BSA for changes to their twins after his stint at Nortons.
The plan at Nortons was a produce a new modern and stylish twin cylinder addition to Nortons model range.
Competing with the established Triumph and also the BSA, Enfield and Matchless twins, to name just a few, was going to be a tough business.

The Model 7 twin was first built for the 1949 model year from late 1948.
While it looks similar in many respects to a twin cylinder version of an ES2, almost every part is different.
In particular the laydown gearbox, although the tank and mudguards are also completely different.
Indeed, ES2's subsequently adopted many Model 7 parts

My interest in these Norton twins began decades ago, when I bought a pretty rough 'restored' one from a school mate.
I was always intrigued about the blue front wheel that was fitted to it.
(the rim centre was mostly blue also, but most of that has flaked off)
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


When Roy Bacons "Norton twins Restoration Book came out, there was mention of some export polychromatic blue ones
( and some red ones - polychromatic red not being mentioned, just 'red' ?).
I wrote to Roy Bacon enquiring further details, but he replied thats all the info the factory ledgers contained.
And that he knew of no photos of such a blue Model 7.
(Poly Blue was an optional colour for Nortons through much of the 1950s, for ES2's, featherbed dommies, etc.
And in the 1960s the Manxman 650 also appeared in poly blue, although by then it was a much darker shade...).

Finding also a blue Model 7 oil tank, back wheel and engine plate, it was obvious that these were parts of the elusive poly blue export Model 7.
Seeing a bare frame for sale locally at a Dealers, I decided it was time to assemble such a blue Model 7, and see what they looked like.
The Model 7 frame that began this build thread, as purchased.
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


Appeared to be in good condition, although with some light surface rust only.
Now, to find all the other bits !
(Already had a spare engine and gearbox, and another project bike fairly complete, so I knew what I was looking for.).
 
First step was to get the frame sandblasted and painted.
Nothing like progressing a build by hanging parts on the frame where they belong - rather than on the shelf.

The blasted frame, phosphated and prepped for painting.
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


Also found a chromed tank, at a surprisingly moderate price.
(really good Model 7 parts are surprisingly thin on the ground, and often quite expensive - must be a bit of demand out there ?).
It was said to have a few blemishes in the chrome - uh oh - but wasn't an Indian sourced tank.

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


There are a few flaws, and wavy surfaces - but they were nearly all under the kneepads, or on the (painted) top surface of the tank.
The underside wasn't too pretty, but the welding seems to be quite well done, and no leaks - so far.

Also found a pair of the 'cathedral' type front and rear mudguards, and the rear stays.
These are fitted ONLY to Norton Model 7 models - quite wide, and heavy, with a central 'triangular' pointy shape to the centre of the guards.
Some in good to very good condition on english fleabay have brought massive prices, but others less so.
These have a few rust marks and the usual cracks and flaws and bumps, but quite serviceable and repairable.
And they fit ! - unlike some of the Indian repo ones, apparently...
Part of one, the lighter shade of the short one, even appears to be in poly blue...

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue
 
More parts finding.

This engine turned up on ebay.
500cc Model 7 dommie engine, early 1950
No other bidders, but a fair way away.
No broken fins, at all, so postage was a very risky business.
Seller could deliver to where I used to live, and I picked it up quite some time later.
Condition was listed as fair - it didn't turn over. - pistons were stuck.
Its still soaking, but the crank does turn.
Also missing its pushrods.
Ahhh!, why are the (steel) pushrods always missing ?!

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue

Just like a baby Commando engine ?!
All iron top end, so possibly heavier than a Commando engine !

Decided the headlamp was going to have to be a replica - real ones in good condition are getting hard to find.
Quick coat of paint, and it looks like it grew there !

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


Quite nice quality, although the switch is a little stiff to operate.
No mention of Lucas, anywhere....
Came in a "Mad Bull Tinku" carton.
I've since seen it said that Tinku is the worlds largest manufacturer of motorcycle parts and accessories.
Apparently they are part of a very large chain.
Threw this in as trivia...
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue
 
Rohan, that will be a very pretty bike when done. A friend just brought this swingarm model 7 home from Saltsrpring Island, one of the Gulf Islands close by here. Bad enough to be stored on a small Island surrounded by salt water, but there is also a Saltspring on the island to help accelerate oxidation.
The engine is solidly locked, in fact they haven't been able to separate the cases just yet. More soaking with diesel fuel may help.
The bike is almost complete tho.
Glen

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue
 
Can't thank you enough for posting this build thread, I'm headed back to Afghanistan on Monday morning, so I will be looking forward to following along as you put this interesting Norton together. Cj
 
Best of luck Rohan!! The bend in the top tube is interesting, was this frame used on other models, like ES2??
Early iron domis are pretty and rare so well done for rescuing this one.
cheers
wakeup
 
worntorn said:
The bike is almost complete tho.
Glen

There must be a fair bit more of it someplace hopefully, there look to be a few gaps there. !
Looks like its had an encounter with a chrome shop at some stage too.
Wish him well for me.
Tthe swingarm bikes are probably better to ride (more comfortable), and quite a bit lighter than the garden gate plunger frame versions.

worntorn said:
Rohan, that will be a very pretty bike when done.

Perhaps too pretty ?
I've heard it said that Norton buyers mostly hated them.
Almost all the blue bits I've seen have been painted over in black.
Perhaps by the Dealer, in an attempt to sell them. ??
Apparently they weren't ordered like that, they just turned up at the Dealers.
Nortons experimenting with colour, to 'compete' with Triumphs and Enfields, in similar shades of light blue. ?
Although its possible Nortons tried it first...
 
wakeup said:
Best of luck Rohan!! The bend in the top tube is interesting, was this frame used on other models, like ES2??
Early iron domis are pretty and rare so well done for rescuing this one.
cheers
wakeup

Yes. the ES2 had a very similar plunger frame - as did the 16H, Big4 and Inter.
Yes, the curve in the top tube is standard - and meant to be there.

When you look at all these frames side by side though, they are all slightly different, in quite a few areas.
The Model 7 has different tank mounts, and different gearbox mount system to all the others.
And an extra engine mount down low at the front, and different oil tank mounts.
The Inter has angled forward rear plunger mounts, different footpeg placement, wider engine mounts, different again tank mounts.
The sidevalves have slightly lower frames (I believe), haven't actually measured them.
And flat bottomed tanks.

In theory, anything can be made to fit anything.
But you'd need a big box of frame lugs, and a lot of oxy time. !

Model 7's are not quite as rare as you'd think.
I'm part of a dedicated Yahoo Model 7 chat group, and we have 90+ members.
And thats only a fraction of surviving bikes ?
You don't see them out and about much though, Commandos are so much more numerous - and ridden...
 
cjandme said:
Can't thank you enough for posting this build thread, I'm headed back to Afghanistan on Monday morning, so I will be looking forward to following along as you put this interesting Norton together. Cj

I rather suspect this build will still be going when you get back...
Have fun !?
 
Hope it is alright to add this photo here. It is another 1950s Dominator owned by the same friend, this one is a 1956 Model 99. The bike was a fairly poor and incomplete basketcase two years ago, but is slowly coming together. Might be almost as pretty as your Model 7 will be Rohan!


Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue
 
Very nice.
2 generations later of Norton development though.
Almost nothing interchangeable with a Model 7 - except the air in the tyres ??
Has that new-fangled suspension (and featherbed frame) = Luuxxury !

I've got something similar, bit on the backburner lately.
Maybe another build thread ?
 
You haven't been taking your meds again.....

Think we may ask LAB to delete you out of here if you don't have anything sensible to say...
 
Back to parts finding...

Set of engine plates and some footpeg components - some very well used.

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


Long Roadholder fork yokes and some new fork tube tops - seem very good.
Top yoke was a little rusty, but seems to have cleaned up OK.
Haven't tried them yet to see if they are still straight.

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


Upper tin fork covers were still attached - always good to see.
Much easier to fit and get them aligned straight if they are the ones that came with them.
Or they can clash with the lower tin covers, and damage themselves...

Rear brake lever, freshly chromed, and new brake rod.
From a local Norton parts supplier.
I understand this was from someones abandoned project.
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue

When I saw this photo, I checked that the pad on the brake lever was correctly aligned.
It is - the photo just looks like its at an awkward angle.
 
Found a set of the (missing) steel pushrods on fleabay.

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


And the oil feed line to the cylinder head.
This is fed off the return line to the oil tank.
Which seems a bit hit-and-miss, but it works - in a fashion.
The manual suggests you place a finger over the return in the oil tank every now and then,
to flush the oil lines free of any debris. And give the rockers a good oiling.
That might be the only oil they get, so do it regularly ?

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


And a replica Model 7 battery carrier.
Seems a little flimsy, for such a heavy load like a battery.
Might be an excuse to try one of these lightweight Li batteries ?
Or make a heavier version...

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue
 
Went hunting for fork parts.
Long Roadholders were what was required.
Same lengths as Commando forks, but all the earlier type bits fitted (i.e. NOTHING interchangeable with Commandos)

Set appeared on ebay, no other bids, and certainly inexpensive.
But the description was a little concerning - been in the weather ?, and stuck.

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


It wasn't until they were delivered and I had a close look at them that some reality dawned.
These were an oddball set indeed.
With internal springs and dampers, these were a strange set of long roaddholders - the springs should be outside.
And the dampers in early long roadholders are short - and don't stick out the top of the fork tubes.
The other reality was these were well and truly stuck. No amount of persuading has moved them, even a fraction.
Back to looking...

Next set I found on fleabay, something went wrong.
I thought I clicked buy-it-now, right as the auction ended.
But when I looked again, I'd been outbid. What the %#@#^ ?
In the haste, I'd clicked bid now - and been sniped !
Back to looking.

Bought a set of new LR fork tubes - made sure they are the type that take the super large nut at the base, or your damping system won't work.
Commando fork tubes are within a fraction the same length, but Commandos are hard-chromed, where early LR are plain steel.

Found a single clamp-side fork slider, alloy painted/enamelled black as all 1940s Nortons had.
The real early roadholders had STEEL sliders, but that was before the dommies.
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue

Tough to see here, but it also has the mudguard/fender lugs in a horizontal line, so it is dommie and not ES2 (ie not for a single cylinder).

Usefully, it also came with the remains of the chromed tin cover at the top of the fork action.
Sent this to the local stainless merchant, who made a set of replacement stainless covers.
With the fork slider for test fitment, these actually are a perfect fit - and perfectly aligned.
As can be seen on the remains of the chromed tin tube, if the tin covers are not perfectly aligned, they rub into each other.
Apart from being noisy, this also wears them somewhat - as the rusty wear mark show.
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue



There has been a lot of Norton discussion about when Nortons stopped black enamelling the alloy fork sliders - but no clear decision.
Somewhere about 1950 seems to be the conclusion, but brochure photos seem to show later dates than that.
But maybe the brochure photos weren't updated.

Still looking for the other slider - but have one from something else that can be borrowed - until its needed back again...
 
Time for some wheel hunting.
This turned up - abandoned project.

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


All chromed and painted and pinstriped, new tyre and all.
But spokes not painted black, like the Model 7 had, if you were totally pedantic.
Hard to do now its assembled, too.

But then I got to thinking - this is going to have to be disassembled, painted with polychromatic, and reassembled.
Be easier to start with something not already done, and save this for a stocker ?

So a lot of hunting and waiting turned up this (Thanks !).
Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue


Time for some unassembling and painting.
If you look very closely, there is some poly paint under the black.
The axle that came out of this was bent, quite spectacularly.
Must have been a big one. All seems good though...
 
The back wheel, disassembled into its component atoms.
Brake drum has 3 rivets and 3 bolts. The rivets need to be drilled to remove it.
Teeth are totally worn out, so its a new one or get this one rebanded...

Norton Model 7 Dommie build - in polychromatic blue
 
Rohan said:
The back wheel, disassembled into its component atoms.
Brake drum has 3 rivets and 3 bolts. The rivets need to be drilled to remove it.
Teeth are totally worn out, so its a new one or get this one rebanded....

Is that the rear drum brake cast together with the sprocket? Would it be possible to mill it down enought to make a flange that you could bolt another sprocket to? What do you mean rebanded? Cj
 
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