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Norton Manxman

Discussion in 'Other Norton Motorcycles' started by skipsoldbikes, Jun 3, 2014.

  1. annajeannette

    annajeannette

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    Well after looking through my 1961 Norton Manxman parts manual parts numbers 23369 x2 inlet port sleeves parts numbers 23394 x2 distance pieces for carburetor part number 23563 studs x4 & E3231 nuts & washers for studs Now argue with the 1961 Norton Parts manual and there is no mention of Allen bolts in this part section grope P of the 1961 Norton Manxman parts Manual[/quote]

    We agree no manxman in MY1960 see here the FACTORY brochure OK
    http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Brochures/1960/60NortonBrochure.pdf



    Here is the FACTORY pix of the "62"manxman
    http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Brochures/1960/62NortonManxman.pdf

    Look through 61-62 FACTORY parts book ps214 on page 56 for the "allen screw" 23395 carburator fixing screw
    http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Parts/1960s/NortonParts1961_1962.pdf

    I have heard of a mythical parts book not FACTORY but instead Berliner in New Jersy USA
    Is this what you are refering to? IMHO a parts book from those days is a snap shot in time and NOT a final authority that anyone including you "MIS Researcher" should get so wrapped up in.
    For example this Norton memo is an example of the fluid nature of a production environment. Sometimes as few as 30 machines before another change!!!
    http://atlanticgreen.com/images/Norton Twins Modification List.pdf

    Well this is the wrong parts book For the Norton Manxman It HAS it own Part manual And has 35 pages in it and is in A4 size NOT A5 size So you all have the wrong information My machine was built December 1st 1960 Its stamp marked to this date and the Magneto has the same date too Only I have the Norton Manxman 650 factory records

    SO "Mis-Information",!!!!! My friends genuine Norton Manxman has 2 Allen bolts identified as 23395 carburetor fixing screw and what you are trying to prove is that rocking horse poop does or does not exist. And I'm not buying it.[/quote] NOW ONLY the Singel Carburettor fitting have 2 Allen key bolts The Twin Carburettor were fitted to all Manxman 650 Twins unless the dealership changed them for you to single carburettor fittings
     
  2. annajeannette

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    We agree no manxman in MY1960 see here the FACTORY brochure OK
    http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Brochures/1960/60NortonBrochure.pdf

    Right These is No Norton Manxman 650 in the 1960 Brochure Has this Brochure is for the UK only , Where Has The New Model Norton Manxman 650 Had its own brochure and was for export only motorcycle to the USA And Exclusively to Berliner motors were from there to the dealerships or export to other countries The first 30 motorcycles built was on November 7th 1960 the first batch was sent on the 13th of January 1961 from Liverpool dock to New Jersey which by sea is around a seven day crossing so they would of all landed by the 20th of January 1961, the first batch there was some 330motorcycles until the second batch in may of that year the last batch was in late July 1961 by this time changes were being made to this machine to the 650SS with larger tanks and black seats and paint in black and silver by this time only a few were painted in polychromatic blue The 62 So called Manxmans where old stock from 1961 from April 20th 1962 all change has the New 750 Atlas was out ,



    Here is the FACTORY pix of the "62"manxman
    http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Brochures/1960/62NortonManxman.pdf

    Look through 61-62 FACTORY parts book ps214 on page 56 for the "allen screw" 23395 carburator fixing screw
    http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Parts/1960s/NortonParts1961_1962.pdf

    I have heard of a mythical parts book not FACTORY but instead Berliner in New Jersy USA
    Is this what you are refering to? IMHO a parts book from those days is a snap shot in time and NOT a final authority that anyone including you "MIS Researcher" should get so wrapped up in.
    For example this Norton memo is an example of the fluid nature of a production environment. Sometimes as few as 30 machines before another change!!!
    http://atlanticgreen.com/images/Norton Twins Modification List.pdf

    Well this is the wrong parts book For the Norton Manxman It HAS it own Part manual And has 35 pages in it and is in A4 size NOT A5 size So you all have the wrong information My machine was built December 1st 1960 Its stamp marked to this date and the Magneto has the same date too Only I have the Norton Manxman 650 factory records

    SO "Mis-Information",!!!!! My friends genuine Norton Manxman has 2 Allen bolts identified as 23395 carburetor fixing screw and what you are trying to prove is that rocking horse poop does or does not exist. And I'm not buying it.[/quote] NOW ONLY the Singel Carburettor fitting have 2 Allen key bolts The Twin Carburettor were fitted to all Manxman 650 Twins unless the dealership changed them for you to single carburettor fittings[/quote]
     
  3. annajeannette

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    NOW ONLY the Singel Carburettor fitting have 2 Allen key bolts The Twin Carburettor were fitted to all Manxman 650 Twins unless the dealership changed them for you to single carburettor fittings[/quote][/quote]
     
  4. annajeannette

    annajeannette

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    NOW ONLY the Singel Carburettor fitting have 2 Allen key bolts The Twin Carburettor were fitted to all Manxman 650 Twins unless the dealership changed them for you to single carburettor fittings[/quote][/quote]
     
  5. dynodave

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    Look through 61-62 FACTORY parts book ps214 on page 56 for the "allen screw" 23395 carburator fixing screw
    http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Parts ... 1_1962.pdf

    Your secret back room draft of what a manxman could be or eventually was, since not publicly
    circulated and available, is of little use except to bolster your ego for being owner of such a rag.
    You TOTALLY ignore the reference ps214 above which includes the 61 manxman (dated 11/60 on the mag) that preceeds your bike and is just as legit a manxman as yours. You will see the reference 23395 IS clearly listed as a supporting part for dual manifolds NOT single carb...whether a 650SS or manxman.

    You really should learn when to cut and paste, spell and NOT double post such as you did above.

    It is easy to see why NOC forum showed you the door :arrow:
     
  6. robs ss

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  7. annajeannette

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    YES CLEARLY LISTED FOR SEPTEMBER 1961 to 1962 models Model 50 ES2 Model 88/99 Standard SS/ And De-lux And 650 Standard and De-lux /650SS models all home models has your parts number are for British home market, By the Time its Parts Manuel was printed the Run of the 650cc Norton Manxman's had ended and superseded by the 650SS so to make the 650 cheaper to produce This is why you have this part manual ,and not the Export part manual for !960/1961 printed in Birmingham by Norton for Berliner Motors Original Parts Manual Does not have this part Number 23395 In this Parts manual, Do not forget the Norton Manxman Had special parts made for it and you will not find them in and home part manual, there are two different sets of inlet port sleeves like part number 23874 for models 88ss /650ss . now then Norton Manxman inlet port sleeves part Number 23396 , Carburettor are Different with a different set to the 650ss the Norton Manxman Carburetor part number are 367/274and 367/275 with a 230 main jet , Now has for the 650ss there Carburetor part numbers are 367/288 and 375/289 with a 240 or 250 main jet . These are Export motorcycle some part numbers are not the same and very early machine had a different set up to home models and the Manxman had its own set of silencers and exhaust pipes and were not the same has the 650ss And has for calling kettle grime arse you have 6 spelling mistakes and I do not need to drop and drag has I only post the once maybe its something to do with the forum so you see your not reading from the same pages has me I do have both parts manuals so your mates carburetor fitting are from a 650ss and Not early Manxman so if its is a early Manxman then parts have been changed at some point END of Argument !
     
  8. Triton Thrasher

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    Is 367 an anagram of 376?
     
  9. dynodave

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    Ok, I think I know the scenario. My friends manxman with 376-274/275 was in the shed one night and when no one was looking 2 leprechauns came in and swapped the correct original manxman carb hardware and in it's place they put nasty 650SS carb hardware and left everything else untouched. They probably felt like real devils knowing some day we mortals would be in awe over the hardware discrepancy contradicting AJD's bible. :?:
    They must have done the same thing to the manxman used in the Mar 1962 Cycle World article, it looks to have the same black-oxide socket head screw on the RH side.
    Left to right: stud---socket hd screw---stud---socket hd screw

    Stud/nut on the float bowl side and Socket head on the clean side.
    In any case this is what I'm also using on my 88SS and won't have to worry about the leprechauns fooling with my hardware.

    Additional fun data :D
    Amal Carburettor Type Number and Use
    Prepared by Dennis W right scorpion@cdi.com.au
    Data solely from Amal Publications: List No. 601/3
    (Issue No. 2) & List No. 601/4 (Issue No. 4)
    376/274 Norton 650cc 1965-66; Mod 99 (USA)
    1 1/16"
    25
    3.5
    250
    0.106
    3
    376/275
    Norton 650cc 1965-66; Mod 99 (USA)
    (Chopped)
    1 1/16"
    25
    3.5
    250
    0.106
     
  10. annajeannette

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    ITS NOT A Bibel Only a Very rare Parts Manual that you do not have Mate ! Argue all you like you cannot change what's in the Norton Manuel just to suit you and your ego !



    Left to right: stud---socket HD screw---stud---socket HD screw The NORTON MANXMAN used in 1962 cycle world was a very early 1960 machine by this time Norton Had Stop building the Manxman by the end of August 1961 that was the last batch of 150 machines among them were polychromatic blue ones with a red seat and others in black and silvers some in blue with black seats some with the 3.1/2 gallon tank on some with the 650ss exhausts fitted some even had red tanks its was a mixed bag the last shipment.
     
  11. RAYSONS

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    Are we all talking about some of these, jeff, an atlas with slightly modified silencers?

    [​IMG]

    Send us some better pictures and i'll take a look, i highly doubt there will be anything fancy about them.

    Ben @ Raysons
     
  12. Rohan

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    Just for clarity here. That ain't no Atlas, thats a Manxman !
    Blue paint and orange seat is rather a giveaway.
    And,
    Atlas = 750cc
    Manxman = 650cc

    The Manxman appeared a year or more before the Atlas, and almost entirely went to the US market.
    Superficially, they do look very similar. In detail, a lot is (ever so slightly) different...
     
  13. annajeannette

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    NORTON MANXMAN DID NOT HAVE ORANGE SEATS They Had Bright red seat with white piping around
     
  14. Rohan

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    Wasn't it you that was sprouting that there was gold flake in the paint ?

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Rohan

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    Maybe the red faded a bit for this shot ?

    [​IMG]
     
  16. annajeannette

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    if you look the frame is black so this bike been apart and painted after it was new at some time by one of its many owners its had so do not go off no one has you see a yellow Norton and the gold base was sprayed over will blue met so you will no see any gold at all mate from down under
     
  17. Rohan

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    Silver or gold flakes UNDER a transparent blue coat would be a candy apple finish.
    Nortons/AMC did a candy apple red finish for some of the dirt bikes, hybrids, P11, and later 850 Commando.

    Manxmans are a polychromatic blue finish though - in enamel. ?
    If you scratch through the paint (!), there is no flake basecoat.
     
  18. annajeannette

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    sorry mate but there is a base coat on all brit bikes its was the Japs that did not do a base coat and were not talking about polychromatic blue has you cannot get it anymore where talking about trying our best to do a match up colour in modern paints and the trick of the trade to achieve this please understand its well over 50 years since these bikes were made, and now there like steam locomotives relics of the past just like the dinosaur's
     
  19. Bernhard

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  20. grandpaul

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    Although he is no longer personally painting bikes, Don Hutchinson's shop can match all classic Britbike paint perfectly, now with modern paint formulations.

    ALL base coats
    ALL flambouyant colors
    ALL basic colors
    ALL metalflakes & fireflakes
    ALL sheens
    ALL coachlining
     

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