New Oil Technology

What better way to supercharge the forum than to throw out some oil bait?

https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2024/06/dealing-with-deposits-to-boost-engine-life/

An oil thread …oh boy

WZ507 said:

What better way to supercharge the forum than to throw out some oil bait?

https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2024/06/dealing-with-deposits-to-boost-engine-life/

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"Supercharge" - I don't think so. Make enemies, disallow logic and reason, bring "experts" to bear, etc. If you find a study of dinosaur engines that recommend other than dinosaur-based fuel and dinosaur-based lubrication, I would love to read it. IMHO, oil studies on modern, water cooled, fuel-injected, computer run, wet-sump engines have nothing to do with dinosaur engines, and wet sump-type engine deposits have nothing to do with our dry sump engines.

Also, the first sentence is silly: "Traditionally the role of engine oil has been to slow down engine deposit development, but in concocting its latest engine-protecting blend, the Valvoline team stumbled upon something… surprising."

Oil's job it to lubricate and in our case, provide a little cooling. Besides, our engines rarely have any significant deposits as they are dry sump. The bottom of the oil tank, if you have no filter, will have deposits, but they are below the oil feed so don't matter.

Flame on - I'm out and not watching this thread.

WZ507 said:

What better way to supercharge the forum than to throw out some oil bait?

https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2024/06/dealing-with-deposits-to-boost-engine-life/

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WZ507, I do enjoy it when someone kicks the proverbial hornets nest with an oil thread or an oil to the crankcase shut-off valve installation or whether kick start or E start is preferred yada yada yada.
The Engine Builder article reads, to me anyway, like a covert advertisement written in a way to sound like some newly discovered form of research. And I would wager Valvoline's ad agency (in house?) paid a tidy sum for the "articles" placement within the publication.
Actually a pretty crafty marketing maneuver...companies are always looking for better ways to sell what they sell. I actually shot a group of commercials for Valvoline back in the 80's. Kenny Bernstein (top fuel drag race champion that year) was the spokesman and the message was quite similar...just worded differently.

I did get Bersteins autograph on the cover of my Hemmings Motor News to go along with AJ Foyt, Parnelli Jones, Mario Andretti and Richard Petty.
I put that magazine away so carefully and secretively I can't find it now...but age has nothing to do with that.

marshg246 said:

Also, the first sentence is silly: "Traditionally the role of engine oil has been to slow down engine deposit development, but in concocting its latest engine-protecting blend, the Valvoline team stumbled upon something… surprising."

Oil's job it to lubricate and in our case, provide a little cooling.

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Glad Greg spoke up - like him I was under the impression that oil’s purpose was to prevent direct contact between moving parts .
You would think that an oil company big shot would recognize that … oh boy .

I used to write advertorials for an electronic test equipment company. We didn't have to pay anything as the magazine got free copy and didn't have to pay the writers. In retrospect, I feel bad that I cut the writer's time as I could use some of that dough now but I'd be competing with company shills.

If a manufacturer was truly interested in reducing crankcase deposits, they'd go back to total- loss systems, probably with hand pumps so cautious riders would pump out more oil than necessary, thereby increasing sales. Oh, and lobby the EPA for an exception to some pollution regulation or other.

Just remember that to make something clean, you have to make something else dirty.

Truly astounding!!
As I sit here watching the Cardinals and Giants play a game of baseball what commercial interlude would you think could possibly pop up?
Why, it was a 60 second spot touting the newest latest and greatest breakthrough cleaning capabilities of Valvoline Oils new offering to the combustible engine world! So very much like the "article" that was posted in Engine Builder magazine that started this thread it was damn near word for word.
Wow, what a coincidence.

Bamboozling .
New . Improved !
So much money to be made .
A fool is born every minute .
Enjoy .

Torontonian said:

/Bamboozling .
New . Improved !
So much money to be made .
A fool is born every minute .
Enjoy .

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Yes, and often all new and improved means is a smaller amount of the product or using cheaper ingredients or both.

I've been experimenting with used deep fry oil from the corner burger shop, they sell it to me by the barrel dirt cheap. Add a stick of (unsalted) butter and you're good to go. .5 miles so far but will report back with results.

If oil is causing deposits in your engine perhaps you shouldn’t put any in it …

Hornets?

marshg246 said:

"Supercharge" - I don't think so. Make enemies, disallow logic and reason, bring "experts" to bear, etc. If you find a study of dinosaur engines that recommend other than dinosaur-based fuel and dinosaur-based lubrication, I would love to read it. IMHO, oil studies on modern, water cooled, fuel-injected, computer run, wet-sump engines have nothing to do with dinosaur engines, and wet sump-type engine deposits have nothing to do with our dry sump engines.

Also, the first sentence is silly: "Traditionally the role of engine oil has been to slow down engine deposit development, but in concocting its latest engine-protecting blend, the Valvoline team stumbled upon something… surprising."

Oil's job it to lubricate and in our case, provide a little cooling. Besides, our engines rarely have any significant deposits as they are dry sump. The bottom of the oil tank, if you have no filter, will have deposits, but they are below the oil feed so don't matter.

Flame on - I'm out and not watching this thread.

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Any time I hear or read the word "experts", the red flag jumps out at me....I was in the film business for over 10 years as a consultant for all the major car companies and car related items like Sony Radios. I met with all of the people in the top ad agencies on Madison Avenue who produced the TV commercials, International Print Ads, and in house films. Shockingly, most of the people working on these accounts did not even have driver's licenses, but they were on the car accounts.....I'm avoiding politics with this statement: if the government "experts" tell you do something, I always do the exact opposite and it's worked out
very well for me.......

Triton Thrasher said:

Just remember that to make something clean, you have to make something else dirty.

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But you can make everything dirty without making anything clean.

That’s Rule 2.