New laws in Australia gone mad

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Wow! The police are going to be so busy with all this crap that they won't have any time for crimefighting. There's an irony hiding in there that I just can't put my finger on...
 
What is this crap about the building trade and background checks?
I live in Brisbane,
I ride to work and back,
I'm a fridgie, we employ electricians,
We work in the building and service industry,
I've not been hassled by any cops,
I know some cops through clubs, not friends, just know them. They are the same as the rest of us, not how Alan portrays them.
This seems to me to be a media beat up as usual and mostly crap.

I agree governments are all liers and out for what they can get for themselves. What's new?
I don't deal drugs or guns or participate in crime. (except speeding)
Who cares if these laws are to prevent crime? I don't. Good.

Graeme
 
GRM 450 said:
What is this crap about the building trade and background checks?
I don't ....... (except speeding)

Was only announced yesterday, we are yet to find out !
If any of the folks you work with have had any encounters with the law in the past, sounds like you are about to find out.
So what do you do when they cancel your fridge licence because they don't like your speeding crimes, or one of your work colleagues .. ?

It was also announced there, someplace, that they are going to purge all the wives and girlfriends and family members etc from gov'mt departments.
It has been suggested that +95% of bikies have nothing to do with crime either, they are all being tarred with the same brush.
At this rate, there will only be an army of bureaucrats left, issuing reports on what great crimefighting work they are doing...
 
Sorry to drift off topic a tad, but Graeme, a crime needs a perpetrator and a victim. Where's the victim when speeding? You're breaking the law not committing a crime. This isn't just semantics, there is a difference between the two. So much propaganda is built up around selling guilt for speed, but this is just to keep the revenue flowing. The solution to speeding is simple - cancel the license of the speeder.
 
"So what do you do when they cancel your fridge licence because they don't like your speeding crimes, or one of your work colleagues .. ?"

This all sounds like scare mongering by the media, do you know first hand that this true or just hearsay?
All the fellows at work had to have police checks to work on fridges in nursing homes etc and I know for sure some have police records and not just for speeding or traffic rubbish.
Can anyone here say first hand that any of these "new laws gone mad" has happened or directly effected you?

Graeme

Ps, we've worked for bike clubs, fixing bar fridges, ice makers and cold rooms so called outlaw and others.
So we (our company ) has association?
 
" Ps, we've worked for bike clubs, fixing bar fridges, ice makers and cold rooms so called outlaw and others.
So we (our company ) has association? "

the police & layers talk to them too , so youd guess theyre associateing with them , or doesnt it count if they only talk down to them .

Ive talked to plenty of people in politics , but theyre mostly so lame brained and egotistical , you wouldnt WANT to associate with them .
Theyre a sort of a mutal admiration society , like you get in Aus./ & in the police forces . You lick my boots & I'll lick yours ?

Pity for the odd intelligent bloke amoungst them . They soon get burried in crap . Not that there arnt the odd phycopath amougst the gangs .

BIKERS in N Z are generally the salt of the earth . Bikies however seldom know how to ride . Properly .
 
" Ps, we've worked for bike clubs, fixing bar fridges, ice makers and cold rooms so called outlaw and others.
So we (our company ) has association? "

This bit of these laws were only announced a few days ago, so who knows how that will play out.
This is a large game of blind mans bluff, to determine who actually runs the state ?
Only one side chucks you in the clink if they don't like how you play the game...

"Ive talked to plenty of people in politics , but theyre mostly so lame brained and egotistical , you wouldnt WANT to associate with them ."

!!!
 
Well since most folks are not bad bikers why should they worry about State requiring businesses to report or stop doing business with bad bikers, which means they have to know the secrets of their customers, which is not always possible, so next phase is all businesses must report or stop business with everyone. Its going to have to get so bad various types of revolutions will occur, which is always the basis of a Sovereign's Rule, so basically boils down to brute force in the end, again. United States has most prisoners per population than anywhere else and a good many don't belong there, so rather aware of police state politics based on some rare bad boys that should be locked up or shot.

There's lots of warnings of various infra structure, resources and money system failures impending, power grid to water/food to bankster derivatives plus natural calamity, make ya wonder about where ya live if it does go down for a time.
 
I buy my tires, and batteries, and vapour blasting, and pinstriping, etc etc etc off folks that likely have connections to 'bikies'.
Most of whom are not 'bad' either.
If they are all forced out of business, or jailed, where are we going to be then.

Just dictating who can you can know, or meet, or even do business with is becoming so anti-freedom that we are moving way to the right of the far right.
Bugger the citizens rights, do as I say or I'll jail you - no crime involved.

Thats worse than folks who shut down bridge traffic because you didn't vote for them ??
 
Ugh Rohan, most the govt spy stuff is checking on whose contacting who so best pay cash and don't call in ahead of time eh. I got out of big city life d/t the crap like the Bridge blocking, 4 freaking days of suffering and death so hope the responsible folks get life or executed for murder. I grew up in Miami one the first Meto system take over <METRO !313> and then Houston metropolis to see than a lot of constantly torn up and reconstruction on the major roads was political pay back rewards. Deep down I see conspiracy towards New World Order One World Govt and vastly reduced population plan. I am glad I got to live in times sex was safe and cycles dangerous.
 
hobot said:
...I am glad I got to live in times sex was safe and cycles dangerous.
That's the truth of it all though isn't it Steve. The more we have the less we want to give it up or share it. We become more and more conservative and less embracing of change. We want the world to stay as it is, with those advantaged staying that way. We could have better if we were prepared to face the future and acknowledge that change is inevitable instead of thinking that more rules will make the world a finer place. New things, new ways may be improvements over the current, but only if we're prepared to give them a try. Open your mind. Try something new. Take a risk.
Get out and ride.
 
The problem is that there's no presumption of innocence. Anyone with " bikie links" can have their electrical licence revoked. Given that the police have already raided clubs who are not on the banned list and have arrested at least one person for wearing a "Sons of Anarchy" T shirt ( that's a TV show not a gang) I don't have a lot of faith in the police's ability do decide who has links to outlaw gangs.
 
Ignorance of the law is no defense and law has made innocent riding no longer an escape/
 
Cops are scaredy cats. They've got the authority, guns, and often abused german shepherd's at their disposal, yet they still need to show up in such great number's?? I think biker gangs are dumb but the way the cops and your establishment have decided to handle the problem is ridiculous. For them, the answer never seems to be 'do good police work and arrest the criminals'. On the other hand it seems you have a real bike gang problem?? Almost reminiscent of some seventies time warp?? Or am I missing something on that end? We've got ridiculous police problems here just for different reasons.
 
20 pages , almost 300 replies .. and not a single one that relates to Norton Commando .
( I think , certainly didn't read them all ..)

Moderator ??
 
I'm an outlaw [out side of statutory 'law'] to the powers that be Fredful, no driver license, no Govt number associated with my name and no home residence address, no way to find me in data bases, [but what I want world to see] so that video is example of my cycle and cage encounters which I have called catch and relase game for 30 yr now. About half the time I get my pistol and passport handed back and let on my way, other half get citation and a few times get bike impounded and me in jail. So far this year got a no DL ticket dismissed by bringing up the fraud involved with prosecuting and lack of due process with counter claim of criminal charges they don't want made public or set precedent by. There is enough common fraud in the BAR francises and basis of the statutory commericial criminal codes that one can study the approaches of any of the Crown colonies for examples to follow or avoid. In Common Law of the Land, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty but in the Admiralty-Maritime-Statatory scheme a "person" is considered guilty as 'charged' till some how forced to be let go as will never get a ruling of Not Gulity on the real issues involved. Not a life style for the timid or ignorant, so should avoid this obnoxious thread, but part of future of cycling in case ya pulled in to gas or stopped at check point and real gangsters happen to be there too, you will be guilty by association and the legal game of magic words and money and time is a foot. Remember the fella pulled over for 1 km over posted speed and the pig told him nothing personal just revenue pressure the police force was ordered to increase.
 
ludwig said:
20 pages , almost 300 replies .. and not a single one that relates to Norton Commando .


Moderator ??

Yes, whether by accident or design, the occasional "Commando-less" content thread does sometimes get left in the Commando section (but most do not). :mrgreen:
 
Duh, its obviously of much interest to a lot of Commando riders and the subject line does not mislead on the content so why even look in to complain if of no interest to you? For example L.A.B. should not open this URL either, but bet he does for a bad thought or two on hobot. http://tinyurl.com/kz7ty63
 
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