New hydraulic timing chain tensioner.

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Hydraulic timing chain tensioner

Since the first 1000 miles with the new tensioner has gone so well on my bike I thought I would make a few available. I am still considering them in the R&D stage as I have only fitted them on 4 bikes so far and as we know there are no two Nortons that are just alike. Love it or leave it return option.

This tensioner does have the ability to move back in so your timing chain will not be overtightened as the engine warms up.

It is fed by oil splash in the timing chest so no oil pressure connection is needed.

Here is the wear on my rubbing block after 1000 miles.

New hydraulic timing chain tensioner.


Here is where a modification may be needed. I had to make extra clearance on 2 of the 4 bikes I have fitted so far.

New hydraulic timing chain tensioner.


New hydraulic timing chain tensioner.


This is one place that should be checked for clearance. 3 of the bikes had clearance between the ledge on the tensioner and the intermediate gear. One bike had less than zero clearance so I had to re-install the thin plate that was under the original tensioner to space the hydraulic tensioner out a bit. Is suspect the lack of clearance was because an earlier style intermediate gear had been installed in a Mk3.

New hydraulic timing chain tensioner.


Before installing the tensioner you would immerse the tensioner in oil with the hole up and pump the shoe until the air is purged. Don't allow the plunger to come out of the body or you will be picking up several small pieces.
There is a hole in the top of the tensioner where a piece of wire or welding rod is inserted to unseat the check ball inside and allow the shoe to retract.
To set the initial chain play a .040 feeler or plug gauge is placed between the shoe and the tensioner body. Then while holding pressure down on the body the bolts are tightened. This gives enough clearance that when the engine warms up the chain will not be too tight.

New hydraulic timing chain tensioner.


I only have a dozen of them from the first run. The body is aluminum/bronze so they should wear pretty much forever. I may eventually switch to aluminum to reduce the material and tooling cost and make them a bit lighter.

New hydraulic timing chain tensioner.


If you want one send me a PM or contact me at comnoz2@juno.com. Jim
 
Jim,
So does the piston repsond rapidly enough to changing tension on the chain at high RPM or do you still need to check for tight spots? I am copying a link to the Ready To Rally thread here as it answers a lot of questions about how and where this idea came about.

gettin-ready-rally-t16817-15.html?hilit=hydraulic

Russ
 
rvich said:
Jim,
So does the piston repsond rapidly enough to changing tension on the chain at high RPM or do you still need to check for tight spots? I am copying a link to the Ready To Rally thread here as it answers a lot of questions about how and where this idea came about.

gettin-ready-rally-t16817-15.html?hilit=hydraulic

Russ

The piston can float about .020 so tight spots in the chain are handled. After the first .020 of retraction then the movement will be very slow as the oil bleeds from the piston and cup inside. Jim
 
Ms Peel wants one since yesterday so will pm to send moola and get in line as you are still a motorcycler and therefore may not produce any more after your next ride. Peel has a few items-features from dead and gone providers now so I'm not being funny and remind you of your note on lost of recent member gone forever more unexpected. Hot cash in hand to send so put Peels name on one as her 17 CR makes spark timing rather more critical than average.
 
My hope and wishes with Jim neato hydro tensioner is the chain slap/tug dampening to aid a touchy powerarc optical trigger to keep close to its on edge of detonation timing more stable in red zone rpms that our engines tend to become elastic cartoon characters.
 
Jim Comstock,

A couple of years ago you were developing a gear drive to replace the chain. Does your new chain tensioner mean the gear drive didn't work well?
 
Swooherooo, it would be very shocking educational to take hi speed video of the cam drive area so maybe you could be the first with your knowledge and interest in that technology. I already have a very bad visual sense of the hi rpm distortions in all areas of Norton engines, but in this TS area I highly suggest the focus should be on the oil pump snout as the weakest link in the cam drive, but not usually thought of - ugh, unless you have seen what I have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE4t2jFsF_o
 
I can't wait for the hydraulic lifters!

ha!

and I am waiting for an all gear primary and shaft final drive!

seriously, I have Jim's head steady and his hydraulic clutch and am mighty pleased
 
JimC said:
Jim Comstock,

A couple of years ago you were developing a gear drive to replace the chain. Does your new chain tensioner mean the gear drive didn't work well?

Jim,
I have been through a few different designs of gear drives. I have yet to be happy enough with one to sell any. I have had noise problems and problems with the original pinion gear wearing severely when there was no chain there to dampen the harmonics.
I wouldn't say I have given up on the gear drive but it looks like it is going to take all new gears in the chest with tighter clearances and better materials before they will last. Previously I had been trying to do it with just the three front gears and the original crank pinion and rear intermediate gear.
A full set of gears will make it pretty costly and I question whether it is worth it. Jim
 
1up3down said:
I can't wait for the hydraulic lifters!

ha!

and I am waiting for an all gear primary and shaft final drive!

seriously, I have Jim's head steady and his hydraulic clutch and am mighty pleased


I am waiting for someone to perfect cloning. All these neat ideas and so little time. Jim :)
 
kentvander said:
Does anyone know of a belt drive being used for the cam ?

I have looked into it. The gates people did not recommend it as there is not room for large enough sprockets for the load. Jim
 
The first batch of tensioners is all gone. After I receive feedback from these I will be doing up another batch. Thanks, Jim
 
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