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Need to identify a brass crimped on wire connector .

Discussion in 'General Classic Motorcycle Discussion' started by jimbo, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. jimbo

    jimbo VIP MEMBER

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    I need to identify a brass crimped on connector. Has anyone come across a brass wire connector that has a sharp rectangle shaped crimp? See the attached photos.

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  2. Bernhard

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  3. kommando

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    This is precrimp

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    But the crimp on yours is not correct, looks like someone just used a set of pliers using the cutter section on them as the crimp should be wider and flat on the bottom.

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  4. jimbo

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    Have ever seen these wire connectors used on a Norton from the factory? I think they were used by the factory on my JPN in the fairing area on wires specific to the JPN. I am painting a picture of a worker at the Norton factory, making some custom sub harnesses for the headights and the sub harness off to the side using these hand crimped connectors,as they were needed when assembling a JPN.Heres a photo of the headlight harnesses, with the correct color codes and sheeve. The indicators wiring is stock Commando with oem type connectors, the other wiring are the headlight's harnesses


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  5. Fast Eddie

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    And in that picture he is holding a roll-your-own filterless fag in his nicotine and oil stained fingers whilst ‘crimping’ those connectors with some worn out, ex WW2 WD pliers!

    (Note: ‘fag’ in English refers to a cigarette and has nothing to do with anyone’s sexual orientation)
     
  6. jimbo

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    yea that's it! ;)
     
  7. L.A.B.

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    When compared with other corroded standard-looking bullets on that harness I have my doubts that they are factory original as they look too new, plain brass and have been crimped with that budget Ripca crimper and which I've never seen used on original Lucas factory bullets.
     
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  8. jimbo

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    The bike only has 2800 miles on it, there have been some repairs done on the harness
     
  9. L.A.B.

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    It's still been standing around for 40+ years.

    Those brass bullets just look too 'modern' to me (like the one pictured below) not like original style bullets.

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  10. jimbo

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    I know of two JPN owners in which I think the bikes are authentic but I am reluctant to ask them to reach into the fairing and pull apart their wires to see:confused:
     
  11. grandpaul

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    I'd ask anyway, it's no big deal.
     
  12. jimbo

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    you(probably) and me really want to know!
     
  13. grandpaul

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    I'd don't much care any longer, as I sold my JPN...
     
  14. Fast Eddie

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    Well, well....
    I looked at the JPN in the Barber museum today. Remembering this thread, I took a peek behind the fairing and, low and behold, a loose connector in clear view! See pics below.
    Also, there are some pics in this thread:
    https://www.accessnorton.com/Norton...restoration-project.20181/page-20#post-398221

    IMHO, the connectors in these pics do not look like they were done by ‘Stanley’ and his ex WW2 WD pliers...




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  15. L.A.B.

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    Well, I stand corrected. Seems they are original after all.
     
  16. jimbo

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    WOW! Super thanks for the look see!
     
  17. cliffa

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    Perhaps these looms were provided as part of the fairing / bodywork set by the manufacturer - Avon ?
     
  18. grandpaul

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    Now you got me wondering about that small plastic diamond shaped shim under the headlight switch...
     
  19. cliffa

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    Ooooh, the Barber museum. That's one place I really wan't to go. Did you enjoy it?
     
  20. Bernhard

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    The brass connectors were normal in the 1960s until the metal prices shot up, they were copper, I think. I brought the Lucas crimming tool around 1968, I could have saved myself money by getting an old set of pliers and jut blunted the wire cutter by putting small flats on.
     

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