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My New ECU

Discussion in 'Norton Motorcycles (Modern)' started by lcrken, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. lcrken

    lcrken VIP MEMBER

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    I received my new SCS-Delta 400 ECU while I was at the rally, and only today had a chance to check it out. This is the package.

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    This is the ECU that SCS developed for Norton as an upgrade for the modified Typhoon ECU supplied to Norton initially, but Norton opted to go back to the Omex instead. It comes with the necessary cables and bits to connect to the ECU on the bike with a laptop PC. SCS provides the tuning software as a free download, and it lets one modify pretty much all of the functions, including the base map and idle control, both of interest to me. Norton does not allow any of that on their ECU, and while I understand their desire to not be liable for changes made to the bike's software by customers, I prefer to be able to tune my own bike, hence the purchase of this package. SCS is in the business of selling ECUs and related items to a variety of customers, including race teams and individuals like me who want the ability to develop their bikes a bit further. The Delta 400 is one of their off-the-shelf ECUs, available to anyone. Another plus is that it allows for boost control functions if one should be so presumptuous as to fit a supercharger of some sort:). In any case, it came loaded with the base map that SCS had developed for the 961, which simplifies things for me. I'll probably have to modify it for the aftermarket pipes, but I've already installed it, and it starts and idles, but it's too late for a ride, so that's for the future. I do plan to eventually get it on a dyno for final tuning. I'll keep posting my progress, for better or worse.

    Ken
     
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  2. pingu-nz

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    Wow, they have changed their tune.
    3 years ago I approached them with a question if they could supply a blank ecu for my bike and was told that I had to go through Norton and kindly copied Norton into the return email .

    Looks promising that we have the ability to tune a bike from base line :)

    look forward to your results and updates :)

    cheers
    Paul
     
  3. Fast Eddie

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    Perhaps 3 years ago they were supplying Norton? Would probably explain it.
     
  4. nopdog

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    I googled the name and got nothing. Interesting though and would be very keen to learn more.
     
  5. pingu-nz

    pingu-nz

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    Specialist Components Typhoon Ecu
    Try this search
     
  6. TonyA

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    Great news Ken.
     
  7. lcrken

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    https://www.scs-delta.co.uk/

    Ken
     
  8. 961 S

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  9. 961 S

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    Its, been almost a year have you used the SC Delta 400 software and have you controlled the idle problem. I have the 961 Sport and am considering the Delta 400 or the Power commander 5 as upgrades to control idle and running issues. The Delta is about 3 times the price, is it worth it.
    Thanks
    Bill
     
  10. comet

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    You need to look at his thread "Unraveling the 961".
     
  11. lcrken

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    Bill, I fitted the 400 when I first got it, and it worked well, but I did not manage to sort the idle problem with it. I also sent the original ECU (Modified Typhoon) to SCS and had it unlocked, and I've been working with it since. I do plan to get back to working with the 400 soon, but found it quite fascinating to try to improve on the performance with the original ECU. It seemed to me that anything I found with it might be of value to other owners, were anything I found with the 400 would only be of value to someone who had bought one of them. At this point, I've managed to get the idle problem sorted by removing the O2 sensors, the cats, the IAC valve, and blocking the connecting passage in the throttle body. I suspect removing the IACV was the significant change. More details on that in other posts. As it is now, it idles perfectly, once warm, and does not have any of the high idle issues. It acts just like a well set up carbureted bike. It does require holding a faster idle after startup to get the engine warmed up a bit, but not much, and I have not found that to be a problem in normal use. I just got back from a ride today, and I love the way it runs now. It might be more of an issue in cold climates. I plan to play with the original ECU a bit more, and then go back to the 400 and see what I can do with it.

    Ken
     
  12. TonyA

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    Sounds Great Ken . I like the idea of being able to replace the old SC with the new one if need be. Also , If you do develop a Map for it , I would be be happy to pay you for your service . Thanks.
     
  13. lcrken

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    Well, I think Ian (iwilson) has already beat me to that. He's using the 400 ECU, and has found a dyno facility willing to work with the SCS ECU. He's already got an updated map for the 400 that significantly improves performance, that he's posted about on another thread. I'm sure he would be willing to share his results with anyone else who goes the 400 route. And I'll be more than happy to share anything I come up with.

    Ken
     
  14. TonyA

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    I was hoping to send you the New ecu and have you install the map on it. This would be down the road when you are done fine tuning. It is the same thing I would have to do with the Norton New Omex . Pay a dealer or Norton to load it up and sent it to me etc..
     
  15. lcrken

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    Understand. If I ever get a map that would work for you, I'd be more than happy to do that.

    Ken
     
  16. iwilson

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    Tony if you can switch a computer on (clearly you can) then you possess all the necessary skills to load a map into the ECU. I think the user base of SC users is fairly small compared to OMEX. I haven't looked but I wonder if there's an OMEX programmable ECU that's plug compatible with the factory OMEX.

    But as Ken has mentioned most of the problems would be appear to be solvable by removing the o2 sensors and blocking the IAC pipe that joins the throttle bodies. I don't know how a stock ECU will respond to these modifications - i.e. if it puts the engine into limp home mode.
     
  17. comet

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    Apologies, that's iwilson's post. There's so much interesting investigative work going on that's it's difficult to keep track.
     
  18. 961 S

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    Bill
     
  19. lcrken

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    Bill, I did consider a PC, but a new ECU, or even unlocking the original ECU, offered way more control over all the engine management variables. A PC offers no control over the idle air control settings, acceleration richening, closed loop settings, cold start and running settings, and so on. The PC offers a lot for the money, and is much simpler to use (I have one on my Ducati Multistrada) but I wanted to be able to play with all settings. The D400 ECU also offers a lot of features that I might never use, but then again:), Things like boost control, nitrous injection control, pit lane speed limiter, shift light trigger, closed loop wideband O2 sensor control. Endless time waster opportunities.

    Ken
     
  20. TonyA

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    How many owners are happy with their Norton Factory New Omex bikes ? iwilson was one of a few who had changed out to the New Omex and now is working on the SC400 . Can we get opinions on the New Omex as well , that is an option some could consider ? I remember iwilson stated that he was down on the dyno with New Omex and apparently still unhappy with the way it worked. This is not a good sign. The New Omex came out in 2016 sometime , so anything 2016 and newer ?
     

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