Looking for better aircleaners for flatslide carbs

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I found out decades ago on the truth about filters, especially the gaze oil KiNd which require washing and oiling to even do what little filtering they may do but less and less so each cleaning event. Do your own tests with ring jobs or take some one elses word for. Short race track and marine use fit what ever or go w/o.
Ya can save those cutie pie k/n things with a nice foam wrap or just stuff k/n type with new age material or just use paper kind at ~$25 a pop. Its the smaller stuff that can get in rings and intake guide that matter as most the rest just gets blown out not able to get in wear spaces, similar to main engine oil filters mainly not to block passages not so much for the wear stuff.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r8NajjYkFA&feature=related[/video]
 
WZ507 said:
Jim, if you were to place one of the carb/air filter combos that flowed ~ 190 cfm at 28" WC on one of your state-of-the-art big valve heads that flows 150 cfm, how much would it decrease the airflow of the cylinder head? Thank you.

The closest test I have is a FCR35 with a K&N that flows 206 on a flowtube, mounted on a big valve head that flows 150.

With a curved CNW manifold in place it flowed 135CFM

With a straight manifold it flowed 144 CFM [but it will not fit on a Commando]

With a cleaned up, port matched Amal manifold it flowed 131 CFM
 
Snotzo said:
Everybody seems to be concerned with how much air passes through the filter, but no one as yet has addressed the subject from the actual filtering point of view, i.e how effective are the filters for preventing dirt from entering the engine.

Some few years ago, David Vizard did many tests to evaluate a large number of filters from different manufacturers, and he always placed the K&N on the top of his list for best filter. But he also made the comment that the K&N was an incredibly effective filter, and furthermore, when apparently really dirty would still allow much more clean air to pass through than any of the others.

I'm sure Jim's results are valid for the elements he tested, but they all look like new filters to me, so the tests are really only half meaningful, a set of dirty elements might tell a different story.

I see a lot of threads on other forums (tractor forums, truck forums, etc.) that deal with efficiency of dust/dirt removal of aftermarket filters vs stock paper type filters. The following study on dirt and dust loadings of different air filters for a GM Duramax diesel, is pretty good and deals with the different types of filters that we're talking about, including stock dry paper filters, and oiled media filters like Uni filters and K&N, among others. The best that an be said of aftermarket oiled filters is that they do flow more air, despite the fact that they pass more dust/dirt. It's a tradeoff. It's still much much better than running an open velocity stack.

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html

Some of the more interesting excerpts from the report are as follows:

- This report presents the results of an ISO 5011 test of several air filters designed for the GM Duramax Diesel. The test was independently performed under controlled conditions using a $285,000 machine at Testand Corp of Rhode Island (manufacturer of the machine).

- Every filter is initially tested at 350 CFM and the Initial Restriction or differential pressure across the filter is recorded in IN-H20 (Inches of Water). The filter is then tested by feeding test dust at a nominal rate of 9.8 grams per minute with a constant airflow of 350 CFM. The test is continued until the flow restriction exceeds the Initial Restriction + 10 IN-H

- This report presents flow restriction of a clean filter resulting from an increasing airflow. The differential pressure restriction across the filter is reported in inches of water (IN H2O) versus Air Flow in cubic feet per minute CFM. Data from these reports has been compiled and presented in the following bar graphs, plots and data tables.

- It’s interesting to note the shape of these Dust Loading Curves. The AC and Baldwin (dry paper) filters each had near linear responses until reaching maximum restriction. Restriction for these filters increased at a constant rate versus the 9.8 gms/min dust feed rate. The other filters, most notably the oiled reusable types, had an exponential loading response before reaching maximum restriction. These filters had a lower initial restriction, but they became exponentially more restrictive under a constant flow of dirt. This runs counter to the “myth” that oiled media filters actually “work better” as they get dirtier.

- The Flow Restriction response curves for each filter have the same basic shape. However, note how the AC Filter, which passed the smallest amount of dirt and had the highest dirt capacity and efficiency, also had the highest relative restriction to flow. The less efficient filters correspondingly had less restriction to flow. This illustrates the apparent trade-offs between optimizing a filter for dirt capturing ability and maximum airflow.
 
Thanks to Jim and to Jim for this information.

I'm feeling pretty smart about my old set up - twin 32 Amals with offset velocity stacks into the ham can. Stock rubber bellows reversed, on the inside instead of the outside of the ham can; sealed the ID of the bellows with glue against the outside of the stacks' bells. The set screws on those offset velocity stacks were a joke, so I JB Welded the stacks to the carb bodies.
 
I' m hoping to offer an alternative aircleaner for the flatlsides soon.

Looking for better aircleaners for flatslide carbs
 
Jim(s) - I would be interested in what the optimal flow amount into RH10 and/or Fullauto heads is? Ie, at what cfm do you begin to see the flow from the filter/carb combo begin to "choke" the perferformance? Or, are all of these filters flowing at sufficient rates?
 
gortnipper said:
Jim(s) - I would be interested in what the optimal flow amount into RH10 and/or Fullauto heads is? Ie, at what cfm do you begin to see the flow from the filter/carb combo begin to "choke" the perferformance? Or, are all of these filters flowing at sufficient rates?

The Xs filter above does flow sufficient air.

Any flow restriction will reduce the amount of airflow through the port. With a port that is capable of flowing 150 CFM it takes a throttle body or carb close to 50mm with a velocity stack before it becomes transparent to the port flow.

A carb that large would not deliver fuel since there must be pressure drop over the carb to draw fuel from the bowl.

I will be using two 42mm throttle bodies on my fuel injected bike to keep the port flow up near 150. Jim
 
pete.v said:
[Because the JS PWK carbs are 54mm and your rc-1950 is 57mm

It fits the Mikuni...am I missing something here? Mikuni is 57MM.

So the test Jim ran was only for filters that fit JS carbs...sorry I thought it was to test air flow of different filters...my bad.
 
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