Locked Engine

I have an 850 project that has a locked motor from decades of sitting. I’ve had the bores filled with Marvel Mystery oil for a couple of weeks but no progress. What’s my next witch‘s brew to put down the bores to unlock this thing?
Remove most of oil that you can from bores and try a mix of 90% acetone and 10% ATF. Remove oil drain plug & drain oil if not already done. Leave a catch pan under to see if any gets by. Let sit for a week with sparkplugs in , and check/top-up daily.
Then try rocking in 1st.
Still likely to have to disassemble for rebuild.
Best of luck
 
Just for clarification, I was not intending on running the bike once I had freed it off. I wanted to free off the motor before I removed it from the bike as it’s generally easier to extent force on the crank with the engine in the bike than on the bench. I’ll try the acetone method before I resort to violence
 
Just for clarification, I was not intending on running the bike once I had freed it off. I wanted to free off the motor before I removed it from the bike as it’s generally easier to extent force on the crank with the engine in the bike than on the bench. I’ll try the acetone method before I resort to violence
Pull the head, a hardwood block on to the piston, driven by a BFH will exert infinitely more force on the piston than what you can put twisting on a crankshaft nut.
 
One thing to remember , once the piston is at bottom dead centre , you won't be able to bash them any further, hopefully it will loosen up by then , and you can lift the barrel the last bit .
 
I have an 850 project that has a locked motor from decades of sitting. I’ve had the bores filled with Marvel Mystery oil for a couple of weeks but no progress. What’s my next witch‘s brew to put down the bores to unlock this thing?
May not be the cylinders. Try pulling them off. You can use the base nuts to jack them up. If the crank turns in the process then you know it's the cylinders. Once jacked up, an oak dowel and big hammer on top of the pistons will get them out,
 
Well my take is different , Since the oil is in there for awhile , get the spark plugs out and ask a big hefty fat man to put all his weight down on the kicker . Asked my Italian neighbour to do that and it freed up on the first try . I could not put enough weight into it . Ran good after too , no smoke . Your first option .
Did you shout over the fence "hey, big hefty fat man, come and help", or did you have a more diplomatic approach?
 
Did you shout over the fence "hey, big hefty fat man, come and help", or did you have a more diplomatic approach?
Him and the Landlord were doing cement work on a wall . He was happy to help . Plugs were out . First attempt by him freed it up with simple instructions provided by the underweight 142 lb . moi . Motor oil was poured into each cylinder 2 hrs. beforehand and they were watching me install the battery before my failed attempt and subsequent request for help . He must have weighed about 240 lbs . I said thank you very much . Turned on the ign. and kicked it to life after 2 yrs. of outdoor storage , covered . Smoke cleared up after a minute or 2 .
 
Just for clarification, I was not intending on running the bike once I had freed it off. I wanted to free off the motor before I removed it from the bike as it’s generally easier to extent force on the crank with the engine in the bike than on the bench. I’ll try the acetone method before I resort to violence
If the engine is still in the frame as it seems to be from the picture, you might try using a cargo strap/ ratcheting strap by wrapping it around the cylinder base and getting some upward tension on it. Obviously, the nuts need to be removed or loosened. Then with the tension on it from the strap, take a piece of wood and a fairly large sledgehammer. Use the wood as a punch (saw or shave or sand it down so that it fits in close up under the lower most fin. Give it a couple of hits on one side then the other. I was able to break free a stuck-rusted-frozen, cylinder/barrel assembly on an old MKIII this way without breaking any of the cast iron cooling fins. Cj p.s. - yours might prove to be too stubborn for this method, however a combination of some of these suggestions might work if applied in unison. Cutting or drilling the piston crowns out/ off would be preferable to breaking fins or stripping studs. p.s p.s. I also had an old set of 750 cylinder barrels that I bought from a junk yard that had obviously been sitting outside for ever, and had one stuck piston in it. I put it on a hydraulic arbor press that we had in the back of the hangar (it was really stuck like chuck). I don't know the rating of the press, but I really put some umph on it and when it finally let go there was a huge spark from (I guess the ring that was adhered to the cylinder wall). But I'm not joking, it was in there brother. All that being said , remember its only metal and it will bend to your will :eek:))
 
I had the same problem..a P11 motor that refused to let go. I made a tool.

1 piece of 3/8 alu plate enough to span the holes and drill 5 holes for the head bolts #1,3,4,5,6.
several pieces of wood to fit down the bores...about the distance you need to push the pistons. I cut some plywood into a round shape on a band saw. The pistons will probably be at the bottom so it will take several pieces of wood.
5 spacers drilled 3/8 for the 5 head bolts. About 1 1/2" long each
2 pieces of pipe to fit between the wood spacers and the alu plate.

Now you have a way to put great pressure on the pistons and either drive them down or lift the cylinders off the pistons. A good dose of "weasel piss"
will help. The WP will not get into the rust until there is some movement. Consider a rebore is mandatory
 
May not be the cylinders. Try pulling them off. You can use the base nuts to jack them up. If the crank turns in the process then you know it's the cylinders. Once jacked up, an oak dowel and big hammer on top of the pistons will get them out,
Don't use the base nuts to jack the cylinder up, if you do, you stand a very good chance of breaking a fin.. If the head is still attached and you want to lift the cylinder, try using a hammer and a piece of wood, with the wood nearly vertical and its end bearing onto the roof of the exhaust port thread. (this is the way to free a stuck cylinder head)
Apply heat to the barrel. Let it cool. Repeat a few times. (Gets the freeing oil down the sides of the piston)
Have patience.
 
Don't use the base nuts to jack the cylinder up, if you do, you stand a very good chance of breaking a fin.. If the head is still attached and you want to lift the cylinder, try using a hammer and a piece of wood, with the wood nearly vertical and its end bearing onto the roof of the exhaust port thread. (this is the way to free a stuck cylinder head)
Apply heat to the barrel. Let it cool. Repeat a few times. (Gets the freeing oil down the sides of the piston)
Have patience.
Of course be careful, but the nuts are not at the outside of the fins. They work quit well for breaking the seal. The point was to see of if the cylinder will lift a little so it is known if the crank, big ends, little ends, or cylinder/piston are the problem.

I recently took apart one with the same symptom - the pistons would not move nor would the crank. I jacked up the cylinders about 1/8" and it was clearly not the pistons. Once I pulled off the cylinders I was shocked that the big ends and crank would move - crazy. Then I realized that the small ends were stuck hard - I've never seen that before. They pistons with rods still attached have been soaked in various things and still are stick hard.

There are lots of methods. For instance, one I've used is to suspend the engine via the cylinders from an engine hoist and pound on the pistons with piece of wood - also effective but not all have an engine hoist and the rigging is a PITA and if it's the crank that's stuck, it man not work.
 
Then try rocking in 1st
Rock in high gear, not first, as the mechanical advantage will be in your favor. From experience. Think how you would park your car on a hill in 1st or reverse rather than high. In high it would roll away.

Another method that's been used besides the grease gun method is hydraulic pressure from a porta power. Adapted to a 14mm spark plug air hold it can achieve good pressure to jack the barrel off the piston with no explosive danger as the pressure will instantly reduce if something moves. It also will force oil into the rings perhaps helping the process.

There's a video out there somewhere of a stuck tractor engine being freed with the aid of hydraulics from another tractor applied through the spark plug hole. I can't find it now, but it was impressive as pressure was applied and seeing the flywheel move.
 
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