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OH UGH! This is a real man's motorcycle and that means ability to both force your self on her to fix 'er and also to leave her be until ready and willing to have full warm up on each new start up or it can wear her prematurely d/t lack of oil wedge on the cam lobes and almost immediate rub off of the zn/ph nano pad protection that is only laid down when full surface temperatures reached. I have to slap myself from listening to mine idle unless I'm going keep her going until full temp reached. Also idle is worse state for blow by of rings that don't seal that well at idle temps and speed. Its such an issue in our old rigs we are warned off initial oiling by cold turning of the engine til oil returns to tank, no no bad ju ju. Once at temp i can't resist myself to diddle the idle down till barely running but rev er up a bit before shut down to cool.
 
If a Norton sits and idles too long it will load up and blacken the plugs. To read the plug color properly you have to put a load on the motor (cruise for awhile). Find the best idle with the mix screws. Do not try to set the idle mix by readng the plugs - that will never work. You have to adjust the plug color with the needles when the motor is under load. I know of someone who tried to adjust the plug color with the idle mix screws instead of adjusting the needles and so he didn't get it to run right.
 
New age lean burn gas is a boost to our carbonizing cycles but messes with reading plugs the same as the olden days of leaded gas. Plug chops are usually done for WOT full load reading but can also be done at part throttle. Pick what ever rpm/load range you like and hold it there for most a min. if possible then cut power and clutch in to pull over and look see. I'm going with EGT, CHT, O2 sensor, stop watch and speedo plus opening up to make sure no Al bits seen on surfaces. Lately i"ve gotten best idle set then snap throttle and richen up a bit for least bog on snap opens. Accelerator pump is hard to beat for the off idle response reaction. I get to use the digital like traction loss response to steer at lower speeds on THE Gravel and some what on grass. What I seek is power to do it on pavement rather faster. Be ware THE Hinge when power on tap to zoom into it with ease.
 
Given that the last post here was nearly a year ago, I wondered how people were getting on with these wondercarbs in the long term? Do they last?
 
My carbies have been on my bike for over 2 years now and over 13,000 miles and have not touched them, once tuned they stay tuned, one problem I did have was the float needle stuck open but was a easy fix and has not done it again, once warmed up it idles good starts first kick every time, as for long term who knows same as any parts on your bike, but so far I am very happy with Jim's carbies and Jim is so helpfull if you do have any problems, I lose one of my idle screws as I didn't put enought tension on the spring, he sent me a new screw and spring and got it within a few days from the US to Australia at no cost to me.

Ashley
 
Well that's good to hear- thanks Ash. How have you been finding the fuel consumption compared to twin Amals? Have they needed any balancing (sounds like they don't if you say you haven't had to touch them). Is the throttle heavier or lighter than with twin Amals? I want to get the 34mm ones but you have to change the twistgrip and I have a mk3 850 with the integral twistgrip, lever mounts and lightswitch:

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I only just got this to replace the broken lightswitch so I could use the pilot light with an LED for daytime running lights- and it was not cheap. Any ideas anyone? Thanks!
 
My twist grip is about the same as my old carbies, but what you got to do is to make sure your cables have a straight run to the carbies, makes sure no tight runs in the cables and you will have a smooth throttle, I don't have my orginal swtch gear as I have Grimaca master cylinder, I have a after maket switch for my lights and horn, if I open the throttle right open and let it go the slides spring back close without any effort, I have the 32s on my bike as 34s wasn't on offer at the time I brought my carbies, my Norton runs a SS cam and heaps of hi perforance parts, I find my 32s work well as soon as I open the throttle I get instant response and very quick pick up and with the Joe Hunt Maggie they work together very well, they perform better than the old Amals ever did, some times I will open the throttle right up and always feel the front wheel lifting without much effort :lol: and when I crack it right open from 1st to 2nd the front end always lifts the wheel off the bitumen, but my Norton is in a featherbed frame and is a lot lighter than the Commando :roll:.

These carbies and the Joe Hunt has been one of the best things I have ever put on my Norton for better performance and they are also better on fuel per milage, so saying am I happy, you bet I am :D .

Hope this helps

Ashley
 
I bought mine going on 3 years now and haven't had to touch them. I have gone thru about 7 rear tires since then, that how much I have ridden them carbs.
Idles perfect and starts right up.
 
I've been running them since 2009 with no wear problems or necessary replacement parts. The Ethanol in todays fuel can create oxidation and cause the float needle to stick so you should run them dry before storing (shut off petcocks the last 1/4 mile).
 
If you get the 32s, or especially the 34s, I'd recommend getting a quick throttle too.

Before I got the quick throttle, I was giving up power because too often I wasn't getting to wide open throttle with the small diameter cable reel of the stock throttle/barrel. For my wrist, before, I would have to re-grip and make a second twist to get to WOT.
 
Question about jetting ...again. Got the Commando out for the first time of the year and she started up on 2nd kick after sitting for 6 months. I was very happy. Carbs still run great now that I dropped the size of the main jet. Idles perfectly.


The only issue I have that still bugs me is when I slowly throttle from idle. It is rather hesitant at very low RPM's and sometimes stalls. If I keep the idle at 1000/1100, I have no trouble. But sub 1000, I have to constantly tickle the throttle when I come to a stop. I can let it drop to idle.... But tickling it up above 1000 is the issue.

From what I've read, it is the pilot jet. Is this a correct assessment? Do i need to go up in size or down? Thanks guys!
 
There can be about three things w hich affect the transition from idle to 1/4 throttle. Some carbs have and air jet or a petrol jet which is there to help when the throttle snaps shut, the slide cutaway is also important. For any of this stuff, I suggest you should read the papers on tuning mikuni carburettors. They were primarily designed for two strokes where the tuning need to be much more precise. For e xa mple, Mikuni needles usually have five grooves for height adjustnment, many Amal needles have only three. Mikuni needles are usually ground with three stage tapers. Amal carburettors are pretty crude. I've rarely used petrol in any motorcycle, but though tuning for alcohol can be sloppy and it will still give good power, it is still as finicky as petrol if you want to get the most out of it. I always use about a number three slide cutaway, and I've never had to change a pilot jet. After the motor is warmed up, it usually spins up instantly in most cases when the throttle is operated. If you need to change the pilot jet, you must find out whether its role is as a fuel adjustment, or an air adiustment. It is easy t o tell when the mixture is t oo lean - the motor will spit back through the carb even after the motor is warm. If it is too rich it will be sluggish, and you probably won't notice . If you want power, as lean as possible without doing damage , is best. It is better to tune your bike when the weather is very cold, as the air warms up the mixture will richen rather than lean off and burn pistons and valves. I use hotter plugs for tuning than I do for racing.
 
Johnnymac said:
Question about jetting ...again. and she started up on 2nd kick after sitting for 6 months. I was very happy. Carbs still run great now that I dropped the size of the main jet. Idles perfectly.


The only issue I have that still bugs me is when I slowly throttle from idle. It is rather hesitant at very low RPM's and sometimes stalls. If I keep the idle at 1000/1100, I have no trouble. But sub 1000, I have to constantly tickle the throttle when I come to a stop. I can let it drop to idle.... But tickling it up above 1000 is the issue.

From what I've read, it is the pilot jet. Is this a correct assessment? Do i need to go up in size or down? Thanks guys!

Johnnie, as a long term user how have you found these carbs? Are they plug and play?Like to hear how well they last, how regularly they need balancing. Whats mpg are you getting? Thanks mate.
 
Johnnymac said:
Question about jetting ...again. Got the Commando out for the first time of the year and she started up on 2nd kick after sitting for 6 months. I was very happy. Carbs still run great now that I dropped the size of the main jet. Idles perfectly.


The only issue I have that still bugs me is when I slowly throttle from idle. It is rather hesitant at very low RPM's and sometimes stalls. If I keep the idle at 1000/1100, I have no trouble. But sub 1000, I have to constantly tickle the throttle when I come to a stop. I can let it drop to idle.... But tickling it up above 1000 is the issue.

From what I've read, it is the pilot jet. Is this a correct assessment? Do i need to go up in size or down? Thanks guys!

If you have a perfect idle then you may want to leave the idle jets alone. The needle jets are what has the most effect just off idle. Pull the chokes to see if that fixes the off idle problem - if so then go to the bigger .105" needle jets. Or go one size richer with the pilot jets (but this may not make enough difference).
 
I have had the flat slides for over two years now


I find setting the idle to about 1100 seems to work well to avoid any possibility of killing, keep the oil pump pumping well, and eliminate any slight hesitation off idle

others have found no issue with an even lower idle

try it, raise the idle a little
 
jseng1 said:
Johnnymac said:
Question about jetting ...again. Got the Commando out for the first time of the year and she started up on 2nd kick after sitting for 6 months. I was very happy. Carbs still run great now that I dropped the size of the main jet. Idles perfectly.


The only issue I have that still bugs me is when I slowly throttle from idle. It is rather hesitant at very low RPM's and sometimes stalls. If I keep the idle at 1000/1100, I have no trouble. But sub 1000, I have to constantly tickle the throttle when I come to a stop. I can let it drop to idle.... But tickling it up above 1000 is the issue.

From what I've read, it is the pilot jet. Is this a correct assessment? Do i need to go up in size or down? Thanks guys!

If you have a perfect idle then you may want to leave the idle jets alone. The needle jets are what has the most effect just off idle. Pull the chokes to see if that fixes the off idle problem - if so then go to the bigger .105" needle jets. Or go one size richer with the pilot jets (but this may not make enough difference).

Thanks Jim. If if stops raining here long enough for me to test I will give it a shot.
 
I love the sound of a low idle and it impresses other Brit bike, or former Brit bike, owners.

Still . . . . I am persuaded (by Comnoz, IIRC) that a very low idle is a bad idea because it is hard on the cams/followers. So, I try to set it above 1000 rpm and even then won't let sit and idle if I can avoid it. More reliable idle anyway.

On the off idle stumble, I think of it as the slide lifting faster than the vacuum can lift matching gasoline so it goes lean and the mixture at idle has to be set just a bit too rich to compensate. This mode is where an accelerator pump would be great.

On closed throttle deceleration too, the engine has great vaccum and is sucking more air under the slide, more than the jets/settings can provide fuel for, so that's why you get lean popping if the idle is set just right, so . . . you have to set it a bit on the rich side to compensate for this too.
 
'The needle jets are what has the most effect just off idle. '

I suggest 'just off idle' is the throttle opening at which the slide cutaway and pilots usually have most effect. The needles, and needle jet sizes have more effect over 1/4 and up to 3/4 throttle. If you have a look at the three stages of taper on a mikuni needle as you open the throttle while looking down the carburettor, you will see where the shape of the needle has effect. At 1/4 throttle, I believe you would be metering on the parallel part of the needle, and the provision for mixture adjustment is elsewhere. If your needles are higher to get the mixture rich enough at 1/4 throttle, your mixture is probably too rich at greater throttle openings until the metering is done by the main jet. It affects the way the bike behaves on roads with a lot of tight corners, the mid-range response. On two strokes, it can be a disaster, on four strokes you get away with a lot.
It helps to put a spot of paint on the twist grip at 1/4 and 3/4 throttle, and get accustomed to the feel at those two openings while the bike is stopped. When you are riding the bike you cannot look at the paint spots , but you can estimate your throttle opening from experience. If you lower the needles one notch, the motor should cough at about 3/4 throtlle when riding the bike around the twisty stuff. Every where else , it should be a blurr. Setting the low range is fairly easy if you've got a few alternate pilot jets, and I wouldn't bother to change the slides. Setting the mains is also easy if you use warmer plugs and do a plug chop on a cold day on a long fast piece of road. When I set the idle, if the screw adjusts fuel, I simply turn it in until the motor coughs then back it off 1/4 turn. If it adjusts air, the reverse applies.
I would get the needles and the idle set right first then try a few different pilot jets to get the transition from idle to needles right. Do the mains last.
 
crusadersports said:
Johnnymac said:
Question about jetting ...again. and she started up on 2nd kick after sitting for 6 months. I was very happy. Carbs still run great now that I dropped the size of the main jet. Idles perfectly.


The only issue I have that still bugs me is when I slowly throttle from idle. It is rather hesitant at very low RPM's and sometimes stalls. If I keep the idle at 1000/1100, I have no trouble. But sub 1000, I have to constantly tickle the throttle when I come to a stop. I can let it drop to idle.... But tickling it up above 1000 is the issue.

From what I've read, it is the pilot jet. Is this a correct assessment? Do i need to go up in size or down? Thanks guys!

Johnnie, as a long term user how have you found these carbs? Are they plug and play?Like to hear how well they last, how regularly they need balancing. Whats mpg are you getting? Thanks mate.

Hey Crusader, I would say that these carbs are plug and play... in that you can easily bolt them on and connect them... but everyone's bike is different and the jetting will be trial and error. In my case, there continues to be a lot of fine tuning (I'm a perfectionist with very little time to ride...much less work... what takes me months might take you a day) and at the time, really no agreed upon PERFECT way to route the fuel lines. I spent a lot of time designing solutions for fuel line routing and fuel filters. (Which I'm very proud to say, JS is now promoting)

They certainly run great and I have had great support from the JS. I would certainly buy them again.
 
I don't jet by 'trial and error', I use a system. It is easy, after the motor starts and runs. The symptoms of wrong jetting are obvious. The difficult part is getting the most out of your bike using mikuni needles which are gr ound with thee stages of taper. It then becomes a combination of gearing, handling, and where you want the most power. I don't use Amal needles or needle jets. I use methanol fuel with 6DP6 Mikuni needles in AMal Mk2 carbs, and I made the needle jets at 0.117 inch. The Amal alcohol needle jets are always 0.120 inch, and their X and Y needles are just bloody stupid.
 
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