Joe Hunt magneto

The side mount JH maggie does not lose any performance at all as soon as you hit the throttle it gets up and goes with out any hesitation at all as it runs directly off the cam, no extra chain or AAU and gets going pretty good, it works better than any other EIs I have run on my Norton as well points, from slow RPMs to opening it right up it just gets up and goes, opening the throttle it has no problems lifting the front wheel with ease.
My Norton is my play bike and it amazes me how it performs with my motor and JH and being a lightweight of a bike, I have been riding the 850 Featherbed since 1982 its such a fun bike to ride and built for performance and handling.
What else can I say, till you run one with a JH you will never know how good they are and as I have said all along no need to retard it for starting as that big hot spark does its job and I haven't had any problems with kick back at all once set up and tuned carbs.

Ashley
 
Are Lucas AAU's for behind the barrel applications available new?

Ed
 
If you are lucky, you may find a NOS on ebay.

Slick
I have seen a nos one on eBay
It's very rare though
I'd assume they can be reconditioned
I bought a recon mag and AAU for my BSA A10 ,best investment I ever made on it
 
I have seen a nos one on eBay
It's very rare though
I'd assume they can be reconditioned
I bought a recon mag and AAU for my BSA A10 ,best investment I ever made on it

Do you have a vendor source for recon ones? That would be good to know.

Slick
 
Do you have a vendor source for recon ones? That would be good to know.

Slick
Now you are asking me
It was over 10 years ago,my memory is not so good!!
But if I remember I'll post it up
Cheers
 
Joe Hunt magnetos for flange mounting behind the cylinders can be fitted with the Lucas AAU which is a centrifugal advance device giving a 24 degree advance at the crankshaft.

But you are SOL for a centrifugal advance system fitting one on the camshaft.

Slick
Hi Slick,
What type of Lucas AAU unit is appropriate for behind the cylinder JH magneto? The units for late Domi and early Commando were clockwise, I believe. Will the JH magneto require the K2F sprocket/AAU combo?

Thanks,
Ed
 
Hi Slick,
What type of Lucas AAU unit is appropriate for behind the cylinder JH magneto? The units for late Domi and early Commando were clockwise, I believe. Will the JH magneto require the K2F sprocket/AAU combo?

Thanks,
Ed
Viewing the AAU and magneto from the timing side, the direction of magneto rotation is COUNTER CLOCKWISE on wideline and slimline engines.

A JH mounted behind the cylinders will require the same sprockets as a Dominator or Atlas, or the hybrids or very early Commandos for that matter.

The JH drive shaft has the same taper as the Lucas AAU, and the JH flange has the same 3 bolt mount as the K2F.

Thus changing out a K2F to a JH is essentially a bolt on proposition.

Slick
 
To me running the Joe Hunt off the timing cover where the old points set up was is the most easiest way to go for mounting on a Commando, the idea of pulling the motor apart and doing major machine work to mount behind the cylinders then setting up a second chain to the timing chain and adding a AAU to retard the timing for easier starting is just too much and not needed, setting up to run straight off the end of the cam just like points and EI system is so easy, is a simple set up and to tune as well to do any maintenance when needed as it's just there.
What I have also done with my set up after setting it maggie in the right position at static timing (28 degrees) I have removed my JH and marked all my timing marks inside my old points area where the JH is set at so when and if I need to remove my JH off the Norton for any maintenance I set my timing on the 28 degrees then I can remove the JH from the bike and work on it on the bench for maintenance or replacing the point or anything really, once work is done I put the JH back on the marks I have scribed inside the old points cover area and all my timing is set, no need to retime the JH so simple the hardest part is setting the timing on 28 degrees lol.
But so far with running my JH on my Commando motor in over 12 years and over 30k miles on it I haven't done any maintenance on it, still running the point that came with it and only thing I have done in that time is to remove the front cover to inspect the points and a few drops of STP on the felt lube pad for the points cam arm.
I know Jim has said running the JH behind the cylinders he has never had any problems with heat from the cylinders, my Norton is well ridden and I do a lot of miles on it when out and about, Jim's Atlas is his test bike so not sure how many miles he clocks up when out and about, I do know a lot of Lucas maggies did have a few problems from heat running behind the cylinders as well sitting under the carbs if they leak, my JH runs so cool hanging out in the breeze, with both my old Triumph and Norton running off the side I never had any problems from heat.
But everyone seems to be obsess with retarding to start and as I have always said the JH fire up at full advance with ease as soon as I kick the Norton it will fire up but when carbs are all in tune with the JH, I still have a few minor fine adjustments to do to my old Amals but its running perfect its just the first cold start for the day is taking 2 or 3 kicks but once its started for the day it firing up on fist kick every time after that, but my Norton has a lot of compression and no chokes and its our winter.
Also so many are worried about the JH sticking out the side, this has never worried me in over 23 years of running a JH off both bikes in fact I love it out there, some say it looks ugly out there but to me it's not, and when people ask what is that it's great giving them some B S story about it, my best one is it's a anti theft device, get caught stealing my bike the plug leads be connected to your balls and I will give it a few kicks lol.
The JH is a solid bit of kit and I have gone down 2 x on the JH side and really the only damage to the JH was 2 seared off plug leads and a cracked front cover, a mate had a spare one so was a easy fix and I already had a tune up kit so had new plug leads, I just recently ordered 2 new tune up kits and 2 new spare covers for my spare parts cabinet, these should last a life time for me and the Norton and is there when needed but hopefully the Norton won't be going down again.
Also with the mounting bolts I use soft bolts so if I do gown down hard the bolts will sear and because the JHs are built strong the JH won't get damaged and slide away from the bike, so far the 2 times I been down was both slow speed accidents when one car turned in front of me and the second one was a quick first gear stop, did more damage to me than the bike and JH got my first broken bone out of that one, faulty old stock front brakes caused me to go down from that accident.
Well this is just my thoughts on running my JH off the side of my Norton as well my old Triumph, to me the ease of running it off the side directly off the end of the cam, no extra chain or AAU to worry about and no need to pull the timing cover off all the time to adjust timing chain or maggie chain as I run a auto cam chain adjuster and the best thing is ease of setting it up, doing any maintenance on it as well running in the cool fresh air is a big plus in my books and that big fat spark no matter what speed it spins.

Ashley
 
Ash ..... I think I must give up on my K2F, because I have lost leg strength in my old age, and I will be going to a JH ...... behind the cylinders if you will.

Wish there was some way that I could boost the K2F's magnet ..... I hate to give up on it ..... the Lucas K2F is a big part of what makes a Brit classic, the Smiths clocks another big part, then there is the 360 degree twin sound!

I always appreciate your input.

Slick
 
Slick I think you are doing the right thing by going the JH road replacing the Lucas K2F maggie, the new JHs with the 4 rare earth magnets are such a big improvements over the older Lucas mags and so much more compact than the Lucas.
I am building a 1960 Manxman ex Mick Ferral race bike I brought it in boxes and it has a Lucas Competition magneto and all the chains and sprockets as well AAU the Lucas maggie is throwing out a good spark but if it ever fails I be replacing it with a JH instead of spending the money on rebuilding the old Lucas mag, but then I might replace it anyway when I get back into this project bike as selling the Lucas Competiton maggie will pay for the new JH with a little bit of money left over as the old Lucas mags if working are pulling good money here as well the JH for behind the cylinders is about $100 cheaper than the timing side mount JHs.
The good thing about the JH mags is they are so simple compared to the Lucas mags and replacing the point and condenser is just pull the front cover off and everything is there including the coil.
The best part a big fat spark with every kick even ticking over at slow speed and only gets better when you open that throttle, look at what Hogslayer achieved in its runs down the drag strip it had two older 2 rare earth JHs the newer ones are even better with the 4 rare earth magnets.

Ashley
 
Another thing with the JH on my Norton I always have a stable idle and as Jim has said most EIs take two rotations of the crank before they fire the JHs do it as soon as you kick.
 
Ash ..... I think I must give up on my K2F, because I have lost leg strength in my old age, and I will be going to a JH ...... behind the cylinders if you will.

Wish there was some way that I could boost the K2F's magnet ..... I hate to give up on it ..... the Lucas K2F is a big part of what makes a Brit classic, the Smiths clocks another big part, then there is the 360 degree twin sound!

I always appreciate your input.

Slick
Slick,
If you go with the JH, will you use your K2F AAU?

Ed
 
From what I've recently learned - all the CDI ignitions take a turn or two before they spark. Some genius needs to fix this. As far as K2F mags go - I struggled with them for years. Had them rebuilt and spent a lot of mornings pushing the bike up and down the street until I gave up and upgraded to JH.
 
From what I've recently learned - all the CDI ignitions take a turn or two before they spark. Some genius needs to fix this. As far as K2F mags go - I struggled with them for years. Had them rebuilt and spent a lot of mornings pushing the bike up and down the street until I gave up and upgraded to JH.
“From what I've recently learned - all the CDI ignitions take a turn or two before they spark.” Has this statement been verified by any CDI manufacturers? Just curious. Thanks.
 
“From what I've recently learned - all the CDI ignitions take a turn or two before they spark.” Has this statement been verified by any CDI manufacturers? Just curious. Thanks.
From researching them - so far they all take a turn or two before they spark. From what I've learned its the nature of CDI. I wish it weren't so.
 
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From what I've recently learned - all the CDI ignitions take a turn or two before they spark. Some genius needs to fix this. As far as K2F mags go - I struggled with them for years. Had them rebuilt and spent a lot of mornings pushing the bike up and down the street until I gave up and upgraded to JH.
Don't know who was "rebuilding" your K2F mags Jim but he can't have been very good. I've currently have three bikes with K2Fs & another with an SR2. They all start easily & run very well. One of the bigggest issues with K2Fs is inaccurately ground cam rings causing a timing difference between cylinders.
 
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Don't know who was "rebuilding" your K2F mags Jim but he can't have been very good. I've currently have three bikes with K2Fs & another with an SR2. They all start easily & run very well. One of the bigggest issues with K2Fs is inaccurately ground cam rings causing a timing difference between cylinders.
Hands up all those that have hand stoned a k2f cam ring back to life!
I too have had great service from Lucas mags
I had one on an iron head thunderbird for many years
In the end the drive end bearing went,but replacement was quite easy
The one on my A10 was breaking down when hot
But the mag was around 50 years old so the shellac/condenser hadn't done bad
I bit the bullet and bought a recon mag/aau for the A10 around 10 years ago and all is well
 
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