Discussion in 'Norton Commando Motorcycles (Classic)' started by yves norton seeley, Jan 14, 2018.
I declined Yves' generous offer FOR TODAY.
The roads were greasy and treacherous. I also didn't want to try it before it is properly ran in by its legitimate owner. But I will as soon as the conditions are right, trust me.
Actually, even though (and actually partly because) Mosquito bombers were largely made of wood, they were extremely tough and reliable. They were also very fast and maneuverable, to the extend that they could engage ennemy fighter planes with a good chance to defeat them.
Yves' Seeley certainly matches those qualities.
Yves... you are a slanderous heathen Sir....
The Mosquito was incredibly light and had TWO Rolls Royce Merlin engines (as in the Spitfire) it was INCREDIBLY FAST and agile.
And it sounded awesome!
Anyway, back to Norton’s, that’s a fine looking pair you have there boys!
Canada produced 1134 Mosquito Bombers. Those and the British built ones used mainly Sitka Spruce spars from the coast of BC, my home province.
The design of the plane was pure British genius though.( Geoffrey De havilland)
Hitler's main man Goring hated but feared the Mosquito-
"In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft,
but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green
and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminium better than
we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano
factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have
now increased yet again. What do you make of that? There is nothing
the British do not have. They have the geniuses and we have the
nincompoops. After the war is over I'm going to buy a British radio set -
then at least I'll own something that has always worked."
- Hermann Göring, 1943.
Sounds about right to me...!
Did the radio set leak oil? Or did it go out like a lucas alternator?
My engineering ‘shop’ man has a unit on Range Road in Witney, England.
It’s called Range Road cos it used to be a firing range and it is where the Browning machine guns and cannons were tested prior to fitment in Spitfires and Hurricanes et al in WW11.
Pointless trivia, but I liked it !
Mosquito Bombers only risked 2 man crew, carried same load as 4 engine B17, flew 10,000 ft higher at twice the speed. Made of wood that rotted away only maybe 30 still exist. About Goring's quote, a big advantage little recognized was that Britain and American boys were more familiar with tractors and cars/trucks so more handy with that stuff quirks, maintenance and make do field repairs than Germans mostly still using farm animals. 2:1 exhausts tend to give softer lower freq. sound than separate headers. Its not un-common for an essentially, all Norton Commando, to fully extend fork on throttle or float front topping out, so in Ozark Mt.s steep twisties nailing throttle peeling over into down hill sharpie - often felt like a fighter/bomber tipping sideways to begin its strafing run G's with the close road edge stuff flashing by adding sense of deadly tracers barely missing.
In Mz Peel's case, twin paintball blunderbusses (2" dia barrels) to clear path of confused deer clusters 40 yds out and Navy flare pistol with rock salt and pepper to stop dogs charges from the flanks will help complete the WWII combat air craft sense. Hitting bottom of steeps with sharp fast turn rising back up sort of felt like pulling out of a dive in nick of time too.
We have all Brit car shows here but usually only a few Triumph or BSAs from trailers seen, with Wes me only ones riding to notice compared to the flashy Brit sports cars. taxis, Mini's to Rolls or double deck buses, even likes of Yves special hardly get a second look but as mere side line has beens with lingering sense motorcycles were for the poor working class.
I only recently learned that the British invented damn near everything we use for modern life. The Scots have been even more inventive than the English. Between them they covered it all.
Quirky and imperfect but wonderfully inventive people.
Oil leaks and all.
Imperfect?! How dare you!
Maybe one positive stat came from the early decimation of the Luftwaffe- very few aircraft left to lose.
The Russian stat is interesting 60,000 are non combat losses.
Too much Vodka?
I like the Mosquito/ Commando reference but to my ears the Vincent with its galloping idle sounds most like an old Warplane.
Then again, I haven't heard Yves 920 yet!
Wenever you want
Brave and forced men/women for the pleasures of hidden world movers/shakers. Theres a book then a movie that covers all this called Catch 22.
Maybe Hermann Goering didn't understand just how well things were going?
Whether Yves bike sounds like a Mosquito or a Messerschmitt, I'm sure it is impressive.
I know you put on a lot of miles Yves, so it will be really interesting to see how the 920 setup holds up.
Aircraft losses (Europe , north Africa ) :
Germany : 76 000
Brittain : 42 000
USA : 38 000
USSR : 106 000
Well despite Ludwigs title including ( Europe, North Africa ) that is not on the wiki page and only applies to Germany/Russia as they only fought in Europe except for Russia against Japan in the last few days, for USA and Great Britain/Commonwealth these are worldwide which changes the outlook.
Where does this argument go guys? We know how the war ended after all.
Please let’s not de-rail Yves’ great thread.
It was just a comparison, not a political statement. I could have mentionned the P38 Lightning as well, but I kept it British, by Jove.
The comparison about the lovely exhaust note was a good one.
The debate about WW11 equipment casualties was also interesting, but surely shouldn’t continue further.
Its all good, we found out how to get Ludwig out of his fox hole!
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