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I decided that since I had the bike apart, I would convert to the new Vernier Iso’s which do not require modification of the front mount. I got them from Commando Specialties. I used the Mike Taglieri’ method as reprinted by Trinorman. This is the one where you do not have to pull the primary or the engine.

With a 1 car garage, and no money, I used an old hoist and built my own bench which is attached to the side of the garage with old hinges. Cheap, and I can swing the bike 360 too.

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Parts came and the very first instruction (there are only three) states to shorten the cradle. Phone call to PA and they state: “old instructions, don’t worry” I always worry. Took out the old front Iso (easy), and rebuilt it. It did not fit. Measured frame and the new iso and reassembled old iso and measured it. New one is 3/32” too wide, completely adjusted closed. Called PA. “It should fit, but it’s a British bike” I said that the old ones had fit, and the frame is in spec. In fairness, Commando Specialties was willing to take it back, or alter my mount.

This is what I think is wrong. The old and new mount collars are the same thickness, but the old ones have a raised section to hold the PTFE washer. That is the difference. Subtract the thickness of the washers and it would have cleared. In the picture, The new Mount Collar is on the left, next is the old one. On the right you can see how the washers fit. Notice the overlap of the washers because of the difference in thickness of the collars.

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I did not alter the front mount. I altered the frame by placing a wedge of wood in and driving it upward. You would not think that 3/32” is that much, but it took a while and it is still a tight fit. I have decided to keep the block in, do you think I should paint it black or stain it?

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Next, the back Iso. It came apart as easily as the front. But, I could not get the new one-piece unit in. I had only gotten the tube 80% clear of the frame. Searched and found Cdafirefighter’s post and highdesert’s reply. Boy did they help, but I still had to pull the front Iso mount to clear. I used a wood block and when I lowered the bike, the motor slide smoothly forward. Getting it back was not so easy. I worked alone, and I don’t like to work on the bike with it on the floor (knees). Next time I will, and use a floor jack under the motor.

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I got everything to work, but my frame is original with enough battle scars to qualify for 3 – 4 purple hearts and the silver star. If I had one of the gorgeous bikes I see on this forum, the block would have ruined the finish. Also, since I had to pull the front Iso, and I did not use a floor jack, the motor slide around on the frame.

Well, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. I hope this may help others. Be sure and read the several posts on this, and USE a safety line to a beam at all times.
 
Diablouph,
After this project you could be dropped in jungle with a pocket
knife and carve out a kingdom.
I too am a great fan of ski hooks, with and w/o boxes under for
stability or easy height.
Nice lever'r you set up. I use BIG Dog collars to wrap forks-stem
and rear frame or loop area.
After a deer impact knocked the snot out of forks and maybe
frame, I had to rap wood wedge like you to get the front
mount to drop in. Quite a lot of force to spread tubes just
enough.

The old style veneer kit got required 1/4" milled off factory
front mount on the RH side iirc.

A little trick I think might have paid off in lower rpm
isolation, I ground the front big doughnuts edges to
tapper to ~1/2 the original width and stuck two more
big donuts in the rear mount.

People actually get a fully fettered Commando, even if
a fleeting moment in the scheme of things.
hobot
 
I wouldn't stain the block, just let oil leak on to it so it gets its own patina.

I have original paint on my bike and it has lots of scars, I wonder if I could actually own a bike with a new paint job as there always seems to be a big greasy hand pint in the middle of my tank. There is a lot to be said for having a bike you can beat up a bit.

As for the Iso adjusters, did they plan on you leaving the washer out?


Russ
 
Ugh, I have to take photo's after a nice job or will never
look that good again after first outing.

I don't know what was intended with the kit you have.
Call vendor of try both ways, which is a big extra pain to know.

hobot
 
I'm thinking of carving "Ed" into it.

First, you have to have the inpregnated washers to get the Iso's to work. They included two new ones with the kit.

Second, I explained what I thought was wrong to Commando Specialties. That's about as much as I can do. They said "we just buy these and resell them". The implication is that they have no engineering in it. No label on the parts.
 
Ugh, my first thought if mine at this point would be brutal
force to remove metal or bend some to my will and make it
fit well.
The slick washers are definitely desirable having ridden recently
one space with handy metal washers.

Wish I had more insights but to share your state of mind, too often prior.

hobot
 
I was trying to avoid brutal force. The advertisement said "no modification of mount required".
 
Hi there,
my vernier adjustable spacers went in 1st time luckily. I would have thought it better to machine a bit off one end on the end caps rather than put strain on the front down tubes.
Also like the other lad said, you would then be able to get the large washers on the ends to prevent vibration getting to the frame from the engine which is the whole idea of the isolastics.
I would also consider getting a better head steady like the Dave Taylor ones from RGM in UK or others that are available in the US with mini CV joints.
The handling on my bike was transformed with the Dave Taylor version. (Thats if you've not bought one already)
Best of luck with it all anyway.
Cheers Don
 
Diablouph said:
Second, I explained what I thought was wrong to Commando Specialties. That's about as much as I can do. They said "we just buy these and resell them".

That's inexcusable. Their eBay ad said that they used them on their bikes. Whatever.

I'm going to install the "no mod" kit from racingnorton on my commando today. -nice soft rubber w/SS verniers. I was toying with it yesterday and it seems it should fit just fine. I'll update you later.
 
Don Tovey......... I did get the PTFE Washers on. I would have stoped if I couldn't. I don't think there is enough metal in the end caps to take enough off to fit. I did not want to try to cut down the the mount. Without right equipment, cutting off just 1/16" from each side and keeping the ends true would be hard. Commando Specialties said they would cut down the mount at no charge. I just didn't want to wait. Besides, I think the block looks cool. I want the look of the bike to follow the feel of the front brake.
 
I'd think twice about leaving the wood block in there, terminates
attracted and who knows where continuing the theme could lead you.
I used cedar pieces from my fire wood pike to make struts for
luggage rack, but stopped short of these extreme wood riders.

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"Extreme"......Looks good to me. No wet sumping, bad electrics, vibration, cost. Want a new part, whittle it.
 
GRRRR!...actually..'F'!!! :evil: Turns out I've got the same issue only not as bad. I'd say it's about 0.35 too wide. My frame specs out at a perfect 6.00 between the front mounts. I'll be trimming down the tube a hair. :(

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Anglophile said:
GRRRR!...actually..'F'!!! :evil: Turns out I've got the same issue only not as bad. I'd say it's about 0.35 too wide. My frame specs out at a perfect 6.00 between the front mounts. I'll be trimming down the tube a hair. :(

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How thick is that powdercoat? Jack the tubes apart, stick iso in and crank out to desired clearance. That's what I did. Or did I just hit it with a big hammer, can't recall. :|
 
This is my point. My bike has seen better days. I dream like many about having a bike that looks like most of the ones I see in the forum, but reality is I probably will never achieve that goal. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near one of you guys when you "jack" your frame or "hit it with a big hammer", which is what I did. This is why we have S.W.A.T. teams and Suicide Prevention.

I hope my post has given some of the members information, but as always, it's only one experience.

By the way, my frame speced at 5.995, with old paint. That puts both of ours within factory tolerances.

Anglophile ....Where did you get yours?
 
Diablough, got mine from Carl H. (a.k.a. racingnorton on eBay). I was able to clean up the frame mounts (i.e. sand 'em) and file, sand, buff down the SS vernier ends (worked a good two hours on the mount :roll: ).

Swooshdave, I was careful not to powdercoat the ends of the front mount (thanks to the tip on Old Britts)

Good luck Diablough, I hope you use linseed oil on the wooden brace so it doesn't rot! 8)
 
Anglophile ....Did this Carl H. advertise the unit as "requires no modification to mount?

I drink the linseed oil to keep my brain from rotting. Hasn’t worked so far.

Does anyone know the minimum speed to avoid termites?
 
In my Trixie Combat case w/o group feedback I just assumed her
frame was tweaked, so after bumping in the wood spreader,
bit I got the mount with adjusters adjusted full in, to just slip in, -
then just adjusted adjuster out till free of bind and fine tuned gap
on road tests.

hobot
 
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