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I've had a Kreem coating in my P11 tank since 1988. It's still working, and I don't go out of my way to buy leaded fuel. They do sell it down the street though.

Royal Purple boost/conditioner 20oz for $9.99 at Summit racing. #11722
 
Schwany said:
I don't go out of my way to buy leaded fuel. They do sell it down the street though.
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Am I confused ,,,,Do you live in the USA?
Like to see you prove that! TEL ...really? " as of 2013 TEL is being produced illegally by several companies in China"
even now MTBE been outlawed for a few decades? Ethanol has been advertised as a safe alternative by agricultural and other interest groups in the U.S. and Europe. In 2003, California was the first U.S. state to start replacing MTBE with ethanol.

Higher quality gasoline is also an alternative, so that additives such as MTBE are unnecessary. Iso-octane itself is used. MTBE plants can be retrofitted to produce iso-octane from isobutylene .
Sorry I'm not a chemist...

PS AFAIK aviation (not road fuel) is the only use for LL
 
If your serious, Race fuel is available.

Fuel Selector | Sunoco Race Fuels

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Type in your zip code on the fuel finder.
Currently about $9.00 gal at my local supplier.

And yes, most Marinas have ethanol free fuel, or it should be.
Should be confirmed. Chances are the knucklehead assisting won't know.
An enclosed marine engine with ethanol fuel can lead to catastrophic results.
 
rvich said:
What a goofed up world we live in. Oil is below 40 dollars a barrel and yet we seem to think we need to produce corn to put into our fuel. And we subsidize the whole mess with tax dollars. Oops, did I just swerve into the pol lane?
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Plus the USA is now an oil exporter.
 
There's ethanol free at the marinas but not sure of the octane rating though. With the additive that won't matter because it raises the rating.... That is what's captured my interest.... I don't mind mixing in the least in order to preserve my machine and sanity.
Problems only arise when you really really need a ride to set life right.... Have to finish up the wing so I've got a back up..... I know.. not in the thrill class but it'll work when a ride is a must.
I appreciate the input because I wanted to ensure this stuff wasn't snake oil. I don't need pinging on this well aged motor.

We need that corn for ethanol to keep the price of feed corn high so that the price of beef, chicken, pork, lamb, etc. stays high and it costs more to ship and process..... ad nauseum......... so that you get to spend more and keep everyone happy as they get an ever increasing portion of your money as your purchasing power drops leaving you feeling powerless and needing to ride your very old motorcycle so you don't become suicidal and stop the cycle. Run on sentence of the decade.
 
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I think you are blaming the gas instead of another problem. I have had my fiberglass tank for 19 years.
It has no coating or sealers. I have repaired leaks by the petcocks twice with epoxy. Otherwise she
runs like a warrior. Look elsewhere.
 
Regarding the Torco, it's been commented and confirmed by others it turns the plugs an orangish hue.
Not really a negative, just something to be aware of. Reading plugs is difficult.
Let us know how it works out..
 
htown16 said:
Different point of view here. l lined a tank with POR15 close to twenty years ago. It's had e10 in it everyday since with absolutely no deterioration. l've also used Hirsch and Caswell liners with good results. Never tried Kreem but there a lot of horror stories about it. Needless to say any tank liner will fail if not installed correctly.
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About 8 years and 25,000 miles on a POR 15 lined tank, no issues. The liner fixed a leak at the front seam. I wondered how long it would last. Still wondering, although it looks the same as the day it went on.
It saved doing a reweld and a very expensive new paint job.


As my 4 year old Granddaughter said when I was assembling her bedroom furniture " You need to follow the strunctions Grampa"
 
Staytite said:
For the time being we look to be lucky in the UK; Taken from the Esso UK web site a few minutes ago :

The majority of unleaded 95 Octane petrol sold in the UK contains up to 5% ethanol as required under the Government’s Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation (RTFO).
There is currently no requirement for renewable fuel (such as ethanol) to be present in super unleaded (97 grade petrol).
Esso super unleaded petrol (Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97) is ethanol free (except in Devon, Cornwall, the Teesside area and Scotland). We would therefore advise anyone
who has concerns about the presence of ethanol in petrol to use Synergy Supreme+ – providing they do not fill up in Devon or Cornwall, the Teesside area or Scotland.
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Hmm! Cumbria must have moved into Scotland, our local ESSO station only has E5 97 unless there is a pump I missed.
 
It’s misleading, I believe all pumps now say something along the lines of ‘may contain up to 5%’. They probably do that to cover there arse, it does not automatically mean it has 5% ethanol.
 
rvich said:
What a goofed up world we live in. Oil is below 40 dollars a barrel and yet we seem to think we need to produce corn to put into our fuel. And we subsidize the whole mess with tax dollars. Oops, did I just swerve into the pol lane?
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Yes you did. Intentionally.
Please take your political message elsewhere.
 
Ethanol fuel doesn’t store well.
Use it quickly.
Add Sta-bil, and RUN IT FULLY INTO THE CARBS.
It’s really not hard, if you accept the limits, and adapt to it.
I don’t like it either, but it’s what we have before us right now.

As for AVGAS, Federal law allows it to be used in ground equipment. Like your lawnmower. Just be careful to not mistake the can for your roadgoing use.;)
 
jbruney said:
Lots of humidity here and the inlines also double to trap water which leads to draining and drying out the tank every couple of months also.... My gas here, regardless the vendor, is shockingly trashy.
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I'm really sorry for your troubles, brother. I dunno if I'm just lucky or if the low humidity of Connecticut winters makes a difference, but I just fired up my Norton last weekend after it sat with a full tank of untreated E10 since November. It started instantly and idled/ran like it did with a fresh tank.

As for additives, I remember the terrible water-laden gas we had back in the 70's, and an additive called dry gas worked wonders for that.
 
It'll be okay. I'd just finished them up for the second time since Monday and had plenty of spleen to vent. Very hot out in the shed and I'm still awaiting the full beneficial effects of the cervical bilateral facets to take effect which were given late last week..... so a tad grouchy and on edge. Got my fingers crossed for a ride in a bit.
First have to make a trip for ethanol-free gas.
 
dynodave said:
Am I confused ,,,,Do you live in the USA?
Like to see you prove that! TEL ...really? "
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Oops... Ethanol-free fuel. I really have no idea what the chemical composition is, and actually don't care. Leaded is a hangover from my youth. Maybe leaded was the wrong term. Hope I didn't cause the earth to go off it's axis by making an incorrect statement on a forum. Oh the horror.

I live in NE Seattle, WA. Pretty sure it's in the USA.

Maybe later I'll go down and take a picture of the pump. It's pricey stuff, so I don't buy it.
 
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I think it's just the cumulative effects of the ethanol use in my old carbs that makes them fail in turn making me whine. I'm certain this would cease quickly if I would only push that 'Buy It Now' button for either the premiers or wassells. Either would cure the ailments rapidly removing the sensitivity issue from the equation...... There's entirely too many folks running the same garbage without having to deal with continuous little imbalance problems brought on by pump gas.... I'm probably just going to surrender my venerable old 932's and mount them on the wall.
Still going to switch to ethanol-free pump and the race additive though.
 
Schwany said:
Oops... None ethanol fuel. I really have no idea what the chemical composition is, and actually don't care. Leaded is a hangover from my youth. Maybe leaded was the wrong term. Hope I didn't cause the earth to go off it's axis by making an incorrect statement on a forum. Oh the horror.

I live in NE Seattle, WA. Pretty sure it's in the USA.

Maybe later I'll go down and take a picture of the pump. It's pricey stuff, so I don't buy it.
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It matters because the LEAD was an environmental shit show, whereas non-ethanol unleaded fuel is not.
It’s not hair splitting, but just accurizing.
 
CanukNortonNut said:
Grab some Jerry Cans and go to your local airport and get some 100L avgas. Smaller airports will sell to you without wings on.
Another option is to get your gas at a Marina as boats with fiberglass tanks have been plagued with the same issues using Ethanol fuels.
Cheers,
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Exactly what I do. Mix it with Rec 90 ethanol-free which is pretty available here in north Atlanta. I can also get S110 race gas here at $10/gal so that is not my first resort, though just a little dab’ll do ya. A number of stations in the north GA mountains sell 93 ethanol-free, you just need to know where they are. Besides not having ethanol, the bit of lead in Avgas or race fuel makes your valves and seats very happy. I’m not touring on my Commando, so it works for me.
 
jbruney said:
I think it's just the cumulative effects of the ethanol use in my old carbs that makes them fail in turn making me whine. I'm certain this would cease quickly if I would only push that 'Buy It Now' button for either the premiers or wassells. Either would cure the ailments rapidly removing the sensitivity issue from the equation...... There's entirely too many folks running the same garbage without having to deal with continuous little imbalance problems brought on by pump gas.... I'm probably just going to surrender my venerable old 932's and mount them on the wall.
Still going to switch to ethanol-free pump and the race additive though.
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I run stock carbs on my 74 Roadster and usually run hi test pump gas without ever missing a beat. I have no doubt that ethanol may not be the best for our bikes, but don't consider it to be the demon child, it is considered to be. As for stock carbs I am perfectly fine with them. If the slides cause me problems ill get them resleeved. My theory is that my bike is kind of crude, but that's why I love it. If I wanted a perfect running, vibration free bike there are plenty out there.
 
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