Could someone please tell, or show me, me what information was shown on the Mk3 identification plate and how it was laid out? My bike came without a plate as it had previously been powder coated. I have the log book in my name just so you know there is no skullduggery going on!
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My originally UK registered Mk3 has the USA/Canada style plate.
Although there are some exceptions it would generally be stamped with the same 6-digit serial number as the engine (and gearbox) and numeric month and two-digit year date (for example 7 75) and the plate attached with the serial number on the left-hand side, at least that's how it is on my Mk3.
Are the frame and engine numbers on the V5C the same?
The frame number on the V5C doesn't necessarily match the engine number if it's a reasonably early Mk3 as the frame can have a non-matching (850)F1xxxx number stamped directly onto the frame which can be the V5C 'frame' number.
On later Mk3s the frame number generally matches the engine and plate number.
Although there are some exceptions it would generally be stamped with the same 6-digit serial number as the engine (and gearbox) and numeric month and two-digit year date (for example 7 75) and the plate attached with the serial number on the left-hand side, at least that's how it is on my Mk3.
Are the frame and engine numbers on the V5C the same?
The frame number on the V5C doesn't necessarily match the engine number if it's a reasonably early Mk3 as the frame can have a non-matching (850)F1xxxx number stamped directly onto the frame which can be the V5C 'frame' number.
On later Mk3s the frame number generally matches the engine and plate number.
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I own 4 MKIII, all 06-6213 USA/CDN? plates, yet I have both Brit and Italian frames.
The VIN(usa) SN(Brit) is facing on either RH or LH side. I do not have a EURO(edit) plate on any of mine.
Easy to spot repop plates as the # size and shape are sometimes inconstant with originals.
The VIN(usa) SN(Brit) is facing on either RH or LH side. I do not have a EURO(edit) plate on any of mine.
Easy to spot repop plates as the # size and shape are sometimes inconstant with originals.
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I don't think British or Italian frames has anything to do with where the bikes were sold.
Edit: Or were you referring to the LH-RH positioning of the plate on the headstock? If not, then I can't see a connection unless there isn't one?
Export plate?
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Ok, thanks once again. To reply to L.A.B. Engine and frame numbers are matching and are 333524. They also match the log book. So I would assume that the serial number on the id plate should read 333524 followed by the month and year. Are there any spaces between the six digits and the month year? I don't actually know the month and year but maybe someone on here has a close number to mine and could hazard a guess? What should be stamped in the bhp box? From memory the Commando was 58 bhp. So should it be stamped 58 bhp or just 58?
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It sounds as if you have the Euro plate which I'm not sure is actually correct for a UK model.
My slightly
https://andover-norton.co.uk/en/shop-details/16740/certification-label-850mk3-usa-canada
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This might help
https://www.gregmarsh.com/MC/Norton/CommandoID.aspx
Oh! And the space on the plate for what "appears" to be bhp is the space for the build date. To my knowledge
the bhp was never put on a headstock plate.
https://www.gregmarsh.com/MC/Norton/CommandoID.aspx
Oh! And the space on the plate for what "appears" to be bhp is the space for the build date. To my knowledge
the bhp was never put on a headstock plate.
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I fully agree
left or right "positioning" seems to be consistent for Brit or italian, but "orientation" of text does not show a pattern....so far
06-6580 listed some places as world export = euro?
Well intentioned research effort, but I notice many errors
Did ZEP get a reimported EURO bike? or just buy the wrong tag?
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There seems to be a mix-up in the part numbers as, according to the Mk3 parts book*, 06-6580 ("Europe" according to AN) is "USA/CANADA".
*Edit: 1995 reprint, the 06-6580 part number is now known to be incorrect.
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While it may be possible...why would the parts book 00-5756 printed in 1975 with pn 06-6213 as USA/CDN, be wrong?
I have all these ID plates currently on my desk for probably over 20 years and current AN, I visited the site a second ago , agrees 06-6213 is USA/CDN
I have all these ID plates currently on my desk for probably over 20 years and current AN, I visited the site a second ago , agrees 06-6213 is USA/CDN
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According to my 00-5756 copy it's 06-6580 USA/CANADA
Yes, that is the USA/Canada (and I believe UK and general export) plate so the plates you have are general export plates.
The other metric weight plate is for Europe which therefore also an 'export' plate.
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The closest replacement vin tag I have seen for my 3/75 MK3;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Norton-850...-NEW-roadster-interstate-06-3216/183695133959
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Norton-850...-NEW-roadster-interstate-06-3216/183695133959
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Do you have a 1995 reprint edition?
I pulled my new in the bag 1995 second copy, for the first time ever, and it has amendments on the inside cover. It also has in the plastic bag an ANIL card-Southampton/BSA Regal . Then on group 17 page the change to the certification plate is 06-6580-USA/CDN, thought NOT noted on inside cover list of amendments?
Clear as mud!
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Yes.
Yes, neither does it list any other certification plate.
The britmoto parts book says the same
http://britmoto.com/manuals/Manuals/8503e_pt.pdf
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Basically, there was no 'Export' plate, just the standard 06-6213 plate as the US and I believe UK models had, and the 06-6580 European plate.
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You might send a PM to @vidar hjelm johansen and ask, he has a mk3 with a S/N within about 50 of yours.
Gortnipper. Thanks for putting me onto Vidar. He's helped me out big time. I think it's pretty safe to assume my bike was built in June 1975. Vidar is going to send me a photo of his id plate so we should get a definitive answer on which one was fitted as well.
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...If it is known where both bikes were originally sold.
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