High ethanol fuel -help say no. (2015)

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Is it compulsory in the states, or is it ''CAN include up to'' regulation like it is here in the UK. Last I heard is that the fuel companies are not really bothering to include it as it is more hassle for them to put it in the fuel. Considering we have had it here in the UK for years, my carbs are still untouched in over 6 years, my fuel lines are still in good nick and my tank has not rusted through whilst being away for long periods.
 
Due to the very low oil price currently, it is quite probable that the petrol companies are using less ethanol. The economic shift is equally probably reducing the political urge to push the agenda hard at present.

When the economic picture changes re oil... expect the political position on ethanol to change with it...
 
Fast Eddie said:
Due to the very low oil price currently, it is quite probable that the petrol companies are using less ethanol. The economic shift is equally probably reducing the political urge to push the agenda hard at present.

When the economic picture changes re oil... expect the political position on ethanol to change with it...
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Expect a big economic and political picture change in the next few weeks when the "too big to fail" bank(s) go belly up!

Slick
 
Madnorton said:
...or is it ''CAN include up to'' regulation like it is here in the UK.
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The pumps around here are labeled thusly, but, with the big agriculture influence around here, plus the perceived "cleaner" burning booze, I can only imagine we're running right at the 10% allowed. It has caused recent (1 to 2 years ago) problems with lawn equipment in my stable. Swelled and rotted fuel lines, cracked primer bulbs, pressure carb Viton diaphragms buckled and stiff; none of those since running straight dinosaur juice.

It's possible the recent drop in crude prices has caused a shift, but I'm not betting my hardware's lives on that happening.

Nathan
 
I guess 2 and a half years late is as good a time as any for an anti ethanol rant. I agree with Jim when he points out that it ruins the environment and is economically nonviable. My problem with it is one of freedom. For my Norton and mower and chainsaw I need a consistent fuel supply so that each tank runs well without manual re-jetting. So, if the fuel said 10% ethanol I would have less of a problem than when it says: "up to 10% ethanol." I should have the freedom to buy that consistent tank of fuel and the energy companies should be allowed to sell it if there are enough customers who want it.
I continue to support the AMA on this issue but I think we are loosing ground rather than gaining. I have written my Congressman and Senators about it as well.

Here is my final great idea on how to solve the whole problem. Just pass a simple law that says that ethanol has to be the only fuel used in it's production. Phase that in over a period of five years and, poof, problem solved. Manufacturers would go to work making ethanol powered trucks and tractors. Other manufacturers would produce conversion kits for trucks and tractors. Fuel stations would begin to sell ethanol 100 for those overland trucks and tractors. No diesel fuel would be allowed and over a short time we would all find out if there really was any ethanol left over to sell after it has been produced.

Vote for politicians who believe that all new laws should be written on one side of a 3x5 card.
Cheers.
 
this shows you have a poor understanding on using 100 percent eth. if you think you have seen fuel system issues with E10 just try 100 and see what happens. also the land mass to grow crops in a large enough quantity to supply the market with fuel and food is IMHO not viable.the next issue is the BTU content in E100 V diesel makes it a non player in the heavy transport industry. last is the net cost in making any E fuel on a competitive price point without government subsidies make it a non player.

motorson said:
Here is my final great idea on how to solve the whole problem. Just pass a simple law that says that ethanol has to be the only fuel used in it's production. Phase that in over a period of five years and, poof, problem solved. Manufacturers would go to work making ethanol powered trucks and tractors. Other manufacturers would produce conversion kits for trucks and tractors. Fuel stations would begin to sell ethanol 100 for those overland trucks and tractors. No diesel fuel would be allowed and over a short time we would all find out if there really was any ethanol left over to sell after it has been produced.

Vote for politicians who believe that all new laws should be written on one side of a 3x5 card.
Cheers.
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Let's see......The Iowa caucus is first major contest of the primary season for the nomination to run for president. Winning the first contest is a real big advantage to winning the whole deal. Iowa's main product is .... corn... you want to win in Iowa you support what ever sells corn ie ethanol. Maybe if the Iowa caucus was held on Super Tuesday corn wouldn't be as important to the politicians. Let's put Florida first and see if we can get bikes cars whatever to run on oj.
 
i have made corn likker and i would guess it could be done with OJ also. the process is fermentation of sugars to alcohol. geess i might have to give OJ a try it would give new meaning to put a little sunSHINE it your morning.

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Let's put Florida first and see if we can get bikes cars whatever to run on oj.
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When you do I would like to taste it.
Just occurred to me, a friend who lived in Tampa use to refer to Florida as the "liquid sunshine" state. I thought he was referring to the rain.
 
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i have made corn likker and i would guess it could be done with OJ also. the process is fermentation of sugars to alcohol. geess i might have to give OJ a try it would give new meaning to put a little sunSHINE it your morning.
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It works well with apples...ask me how I know?
 
Windy said: "this shows you have a poor understanding on using 100 percent eth. if you think you have seen fuel system issues with E10 just try 100 and see what happens. also the land mass to grow crops in a large enough quantity to supply the market with fuel and food is IMHO not viable.the next issue is the BTU content in E100 V diesel makes it a non player in the heavy transport industry. last is the net cost in making any E fuel on a competitive price point without government subsidies make it a non player."

I think that was my whole point with my snarky idea. If you make them USE ethanol to PRODUCE ethanol it will soon become obvious to everyone that it does not make enough fuel to be worth it. My guess is that it would take such a high percentage of the total product just to get the left overs to market that it would become completely worthless in the end. And, I don't think it would be such a bad fuel for systems designed from the ground up to use it. But still, my idea of a simple law is with the intent of making the "ethanol for fuel" industry go completely away!
 
I think that in the future, people will look back in disgust at this farce.

Half the world is still starving, but the rich half of the world dedicated massive amounts of agricultural space for a very inefficient production of a fuel that causes more problems than it solves, all driven by ‘bad science’ in the name of a very flawed way of pursuing a green agenda.

It’s the ‘Emperors New Clothes’ of fuel. Paid for with the empty stomachs of the worlds poor.

Frankly, I can’t believe that we are all allowing it to happen so passively !
 
Madnorton said:
Is it compulsory in the states, or is it ''CAN include up to'' regulation like it is here in the UK. Last I heard is that the fuel companies are not really bothering to include it as it is more hassle for them to put it in the fuel. Considering we have had it here in the UK for years, my carbs are still untouched in over 6 years, my fuel lines are still in good nick and my tank has not rusted through whilst being away for long periods.
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Well you are lucky -it has completely destroyed my immaculate glass fibre fastback tank ... btw super markets are the worse UK offendors
 
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