High ethanol fuel -help say no. (2015)

Done!

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Added my vote if it might matter to big business and bigger govt bosses. Votes made it legal to grow and toke in CO now.

Thanks for posting this, we should ALL sign it... As futile as it feels we should try to fight to get this sh#^<|^t out of our gas...

I hope this more than an email grab.
Signed it but not hopeful it will help.

Written hard copy statements with wet signatures matter most in these opinion polls but behind the scenes pay off offs matter most. If fuel system ethanol tolerate it can make a good power fuel but if the booze from food crops then someone getting a good kick back to pollute more than oil well petroleum burning. Those most exposed will be the long distance travelers on turnpikes and major hwys as can not shop your favorite station.

tomspro said:

I hope this more than an email grab.
Signed it but not hopeful it will help.

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Ditto. Even though I have lived in NZ for 11 yrs now, I still file a 1040 and vote absentee. The joys of dual citizenship.

Thanks for posting this Com, and EVERYBODY should be a member of the American Motorcyclist Association. The "call for a tow" provision alone is worth it. ( ask me how I know!) This is our lobby, support it.

MFPS The AMA emailed this back, you can join using the link.


Thank you for taking action. The AMA depends on advocates like you to promote the motorcycle lifestyle and protect the future of motorcycling.

Now more than ever, it is crucial that you and your riding friends become members of the AMA to help protect our riding freedoms. More members mean more clout against the opponents of motorcycling and ATV riding. That support will help us fight for your rights - on the road, trail, racetrack, and in the halls of government. Join the AMA at http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/mem ... ?mc=capwiz.

Also, be sure to follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ama_rights
and "like" us on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AmericanMotorcyclist

On the subject of low-alcohol or alcohol-free engine fuels, as of late I am seeing small containers of alcohol-free oil/gas premixes showing up in ordinary places like NAPA, Home Depot, etc. I suspect people are so sick of seasonal issues with the instability of alcohol-containing regular gasoline that they are resorting to these products, that claim enhanced stability/reliability, for a superior experience.

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signed sealed and delivered....

Done

comnoz said:

https://cqrcengage.com/amacycle/app/sign-petition?1&engagementId=108574&ep=AAAAC2Flc0NpcGhlcjAxciAbpZWlGccAPLwg2EonmwyFmTpoiYlinjupqM458QdzuYcnZEoiYmeocLgzmVjjhlsnaLZ_i9x7GyYha3DF74jAZokXNBTyMdsNCwuox9U&lp=0

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Good initiative, although, the agricultural lobby vs. the classic bike/car guys ?
I know already who is going to win this battle. :cry:

Peter R said:

Good initiative, although, the agricultural lobby vs. the classic bike/car guys ?
I know already who is going to win this battle. :cry:

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That's exactly it, and I live in one of those states! I hurts to know that the vast fields of corn I drive through are part of this. What happened to selling corn to "foreigners"? They actually eat it, and it keeps it out of our tanks!

My wife's grandfather went through the same thing as a dairyman; the government would actually pay him to not produce milk in order to keep the prices up at the market. Shysters! And they were doing it with my money!

'Think I'll be joining the AMA myself.

Nathan

I'm a AMA life member and on their mailing list and I didn't get this notice. I hope you guys haven't signed up for some porn sites or sold your email address to a bunch advertisers.?

As long as the octane rating isn't affected, surely the only risk is to the dissolving of seals in the fuel system. There should be ethanol-resisdtant seals out there in the market place.

If the octane stays the same, why is this an issue?

ugh its all just alien agenda working out to get us to pay for our own extinction while terra forming away from an oxygen atmosphere by messing with the germ cell level of life support systems in this fuel vs food arena. Dang spiked fuel ete the diaphragm of SuVee vac fuel petcock to flood crankcase with 4 gallons topped off for winter parking and $100 for another. Maybe if making health dangers to children more a slogan may get some action like prohibiting things with lead batteries sold for them. If there was a free market we could just refuse to buy any but if required to spike gas more may mean we are past point of no return.

frankdamp said:

As long as the octane rating isn't affected, surely the only risk is to the dissolving of seals in the fuel system. There should be ethanol-resisdtant seals out there in the market place.

If the octane stays the same, why is this an issue?

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Because it eats viton float needles and stay up floats and most fuel line materials.
It corrodes aluminum carburetors after it has absorbed some moisture.
It eats fiberglass and eventually gets to any tank coatings.
It requires rejetting.
It reduces fuel mileage and it hurts the environment.
It reduces the food supply.
It is subsidized by tax dollars that should be spent for something useful.

Another thing you can do is don't buy new. You're new flex fuel vehicle is worse for the environment than a well running older car. A new car expends 15-30% of its carbon footprint before you even take delivery. They waste valuable farmland while getting suckers to buy a new car every few years under the guise of saving the environment.

Frank,

The ethanol of course absorbs water and that causes gas tanks to rust and carb internals to corrode. Then the ethanol also attacks the resin in the fiberglass tanks, and as you mentioned, rubber and plastic in the fuel circuit to include petcocks, fuel lines, gaskets etcetera. Then organic stuff grows more easily in ethanol than in straight gas so gunk clogs jets and impairs float needle movement.

Then too, it plays heck with the little two stroke pumper carbs that are on all the various pieces of garden equipment and the EPA, for fear of smog, long ago dictated that all of those little carbs' be sealed so people can't adjust them; there are tiny pressed in caps that cover drillings and tiny fixed jets underneath such that it is not cost effective to even try to clean out the clogged jets. You spend a hundred dollars, more or less, on a weed wacker, or a hedge trimmer, or a blower, or a chain saw, only to have the gas kill it inside of a year. The only way to prevent it is to make certain that the carb is run dry when you put it away. Lawn mowers, with their conventional carbs are easier to fix when the gas clogs them.

I try to run my motorcycles dry too, although right now one of the carbs on my old GSXR is clogged in the idle circuit and it is a pain to remove that rack of carbs from those thirty year old stiff intake manifold/carb boots; not to mention the risk of cracking that old rubber.

Edit - And Comnoz is quicker than me - ditto what he said.
Edit - And Snorton74 too, ditto that too.

Interestingly, fuel injected engines don't seem to suffer from it as much; the metals and rubbers are designed for it of course and then the fuel pump's and the injectors' power seems to be able to push and pound through any gunk. It may also be the total lack of air or oxygen that an injected system enjoys once the fuel is past the tank and into pressurized fuel lines/injectors.

Hey, look what I found this weekend at my local garden supply house:

At six bucks a quart, that'll only cost me $155 USD to fill my Interstate tank... 'Good thing we can still buy it at select gas stations around here!

Nathan