Hemmings Layshaft bearing

pierodn said:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/280937821317?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Ciao.
Piero

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I guess maybe I am a bit luckier than most and have sufficient discretionary funds to be able to indulge in my hobby without worrying to much about the price.

Even so I have found in the long run it is usually a good plan to buy from the man who knows what he is doing, has a track record and who you can talk with when things go wrong.

Mike Hemmings has a long long history with Norton motorcycles. Racing and fixing.

For peace of mind I would just buy from him. He is only a phone call away - or rather his wife is

openroad said:

Yeah, but is Chinese bearing an equal product of the Portuguese FAG?

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Hello All.
Well some are and some are not. Chinese engineering, with justification in some instances, has been much maligned.
The Chinese have high quality military and aero space manufacturing capacity. The Australian tool making industry has dissappeared into the bowels of Chinese CNC technology. Chinese progress in electronics is exponential.

So to claim that Chinese engineering is all rubbish is too general a statement.

However, the brand rip off's, the "knock offs" and the like are a different matter. I believe even Timken had a problem with the pirates. This is what is mainly available to the general public.
Avoided at all costs.

so as to being an equal product, if the quality assurance, metallurgy and manufacturing are of the same standard as reputable manufacturers such as FAG, the bearing will be no different.

Myself, not being able to check the above, I stay with FAG, SKF or NTN. Ride safe Bradley

B.Rad said:

openroad said:

Yeah, but is Chinese bearing an equal product of the Portuguese FAG?

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Hello All.
Well some are and some are not. Chinese engineering, with justification in some instances, has been much maligned.
The Chinese have high quality military and aero space manufacturing capacity. The Australian tool making industry has dissappeared into the bowels of Chinese CNC technology. Chinese progress in electronics is exponential.

So to claim that Chinese engineering is all rubbish is too general a statement.

However, the brand rip off's, the "knock offs" and the like are a different matter. I believe even Timken had a problem with the pirates. This is what is mainly available to the general public.
Avoided at all costs.

so as to being an equal product, if the quality assurance, metallurgy and manufacturing are of the same standard as reputable manufacturers such as FAG, the bearing will be no different.

Myself, not being able to check the above, I stay with FAG, SKF or NTN. Ride safe Bradley

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I agree but unfortunately not even that is a guarantee against the pirates.

Im aware of supposedly certified steel purchased in NZ (in 2013) not being what the paperwork said and even worse some time ago aircraft parts with forged documentation used by unsuspecting honest NZ operators. That one ended up with an international criminal case.

A list I found on the Internet. I know the NZ ones at least are true because I have read the reports of the court cases. It is a bit old but I know through my work of similar recent cases.

These guys dont care who they kill so long as they make their money.

1997: A helicopter crash in New Zealand led to the initiation of criminal proceedings against a supplier of counterfeit helicopter blades.

(ICC Counterfeiting Intelligence Bureau, The International Anti-Counterfeiting Directory 2007), A deadly faith in fakes)

1995: In New Zealand, counterfeit tail rotor blades that disintegrated in flight caused a helicopter to crash.

(FIA International Research LTD., Contraband, Organized Crime and the Threat to the Transportation and Supply Chain Function)

1989: A counterfeit bolt installed on the tail assembly of a Norwegian Convair 580 aircraft caused the death of 55 passengers and crew members as the plane crashed whilst flying from Norway to Germany.

((ICC Counterfeiting Intelligence Bureau, The International Anti-Counterfeiting Directory 2007)

1987: Counterfeit spare parts were discovered by US investigators in more than 600 helicopters in service with NATO forces.

(ICC Counterfeiting Intelligence Bureau, The International Anti-Counterfeiting Directory 2007)


1977: United States Federal Aviation Administration discovered counterfeit fire detection and control systems in more than 100 Boeing 737 aircrafts.

(ICC Counterfeiting Intelligence Bureau, The International Anti-Counterfeiting Directory 2007)

1976: Counterfeit transistors were discovered in the U.S. Space Shuttle Programme.

(Peter Lowe, The scope of the counterfeiting problem)

johnm said:

pierodn said:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/280937821317?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Ciao.
Piero

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I guess maybe I am a bit luckier than most and have sufficient discretionary funds to be able to indulge in my hobby without worrying to much about the price.

Even so I have found in the long run it is usually a good plan to buy from the man who knows what he is doing, has a track record and who you can talk with when things go wrong.

Mike Hemmings has a long long history with Norton motorcycles. Racing and fixing.

For peace of mind I would just buy from him. He is only a phone call away - or rather his wife is

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Done. And it was a pleasure to do so.

I found this article about Mick and Angie Hemmings. I have never met him but have taked several times on the phone. From what I could tell from the phone the article is very accurate. (Didnt know about the smoking !!) The good thing is if you phone you will be talking to them.


http://www.sumpmagazine.com/classicbike ... mmings.htm

johnm said:

pierodn said:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/280937821317?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Ciao.
Piero

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I guess maybe I am a bit luckier than most and have sufficient discretionary funds to be able to indulge in my hobby without worrying to much about the price.

Even so I have found in the long run it is usually a good plan to buy from the man who knows what he is doing, has a track record and who you can talk with when things go wrong.

Mike Hemmings has a long long history with Norton motorcycles. Racing and fixing.

For peace of mind I would just buy from him. He is only a phone call away - or rather his wife is

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I visited that first shop over the road for the first time in '76, short stroke cylinder head in hand.....

Sold that bike in '80, but met Mick in '07 at Goodwood and he encouraged me to go to Snetterton two weeks later, where I 'discovered' my old bike.....longer story but I bought the frame in 2009 and started a build......

....I haven't been to the current shop, but I bought my Full Auto Head from Mick...well...Angie....in the middle of last year...its still in the box....but were are getting closer.....though perhaps this build will be of more use to my son...

So....would one be making a mistake by going to a parts store and simply asking for a 6203 TB bearing. Or should I order directly from Mick Hemmings, pay a little more, and wait for shipping. My gearbox is empty and awaiting assembly. I don't want to screw up now.

Same situation, empty gearbox. I called Angie.

Got one from this guy. He was selling them for $35 last year now $50. Used on mopeds evidently. Was a little nervous but it came right away.

https://www.treatland.tv/FAG-6203TB-P63 ... -super.htm

Russ

batrider said:

Got one from this guy. He was selling them for $35 last year now $50. Used on mopeds evidently. Was a little nervous but it came right away.

https://www.treatland.tv/FAG-6203TB-P63 ... -super.htm

Russ

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He has been out for months. I swear that FAG has reclassified these bearings and once stock is exhausted from current suppliers, they will $300 a pop and be exclusively made in Germany. I hope I am, wrong about this but current supply seems to support this. This information comes from a long standing supply house here in the Michigan region. "Applied industrial Technologies" formally "Detroit Ball Bearing"


Just to be clear, there are a lot of 6203 bearing that will do just fine for this application.
SKF 6203JEM. Nothing special except for deep groove design and C3 clearance. Just a good bearing, reasonable priced and readily available.

I decided to go with Mick's, my Buddy in London is receiving it and his daughter will be back in Montreal late February...one less headache

you can order the FAG 6203TB from any global FAG distributor and get the same product as Mick supplies

FAG / TIMKIN / RHP / SKF manufacture in many different countries lets say with economical labour costs
it is not uncommon to see INDIA / CHINA / PORTUGAL on the packaging but they will be manufactured using the FAG material specifications / tolerances
if you buy your FAG bearings from a reputable supplier then you will avoid the nasty fake stuff which may be around

Due to global demands dropping for specific bearing sizes / fitments manufacturers will now only run batches annually so supply and demand
can become an issue , bearing brokers will lift prices when availability becomes limited , hence the fluctuating prices you may run in to at your local distributor

If Mick is canny enough to buy his stock when in plentiful supply and sit on it knowing there will be a famine later in the year then good on him
Holding stock costs money and anyone in business needs a return on investment ( anyone can quote a cheap price for something they can not supply )

kiwi said:

you can order the FAG 6203TB from any global FAG distributor and get the same product as Mick supplies

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No you can't. And if you had made an effort to make said purchase of a 6203-tb-p6-c3 (aka 6203TB.P63) you would have known for yourself.

But let's give you the benifit of the doubt. There must be dozens global FAG distributors. Please offer up three or four to choose from with pricing and availability.


I will even start it up for you. Notice that the country of orgin is subject to change and the available to order status mean "not in stock". Oh, and don't forget about the price.
http://www.motionindustries.com/motion3 ... q=02297983

Here is another under a different number. Notice the price and availability. I double dog dare you to call this distributer and try to order one. "Non Exsistant" Their FAG rep will tell you what they told me. That FAG has reclassified these bearings and they will be around $300 each and be exclusively made in Germany.
http://www.applied.com/apps/commerce/ca ... 203-TVH-C3

NORBECER said:

I decided to go with Mick's, my Buddy in London is receiving it and his daughter will be back in Montreal late February...one less headache

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My Buddy just received my FAG Layshaft bearing from Mick 32.50 GBP and a tube of Stag Wellseal 9.50 GBP plus 20% VAT. Also included a cool sticker for my tool box!

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Mike seems to be a nice bloke. I have never met him but talked on the phone a few times and he is very interesting. Tried to convince me once to come to the UK and ride at the Manx !!!! I told him I was getting on a bit and not a great rider. He said " No worries, Im getting on a bit too and its fine ".

As they say in the Tui ads "Yeah right !!" :shock:

I, too, got a nice decal from Mick with my bearing.
And a handwritten note from him stating that "there are many 6203 TD's all with different applications + different prices --this was recommended to us by Mr. Qaife, he having spent 2 yrs. experimenting with gearboxes for best bearings. Since then I have built over 800 new gearboxes and many old ones where the layshaft old bearing has broken up, or ready to --I have never had one back broken. I race myself on this bearing and I fit to all new and old boxes. Mick"

pete.v said:

kiwi said:

you can order the FAG 6203TB from any global FAG distributor and get the same product as Mick supplies

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No you can't. And if you had made an effort to make said purchase of a 6203-tb-p6-c3 (aka 6203TB.P63) you would have known for yourself.
But let's give you the benifit of the doubt. There must be dozens global FAG distributors. Please offer up three or four to choose from with pricing and availability.
http://www.applied.com/apps/commerce/ca ... 203-TVH-C3

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ATTN: Pete.V

Kiwi was right, you are not correct. you seemed very harsh on Kiwi, and very sure of yourself when indeed he was correct. So you should indeed give Kiwi the benifet of the doubt. or a correction to Kiwi here.

So here is my first offering as you asked for. there is no need for a second or fourth.

I took your double dog dare, made the effort, and found out for myself. Walked into the local CBC bearing house. could order any number I want of FAG TB.P63 bearings. delivery 2-3 days. . price is another matter though. $Aus 122.63 including GST. I will give details in case I need benifet of doubt too. Bearing Service Centre, 111 Beach Road, Hervey Bay 4655 Qld Australia. phone (07) 4124 0999.

Anyway Pete, kind regards and best wishes. Ride safe Bradley

Hello all,

I just brought the special layshaft bearing from Mick Hemmings, I spoke to his wife? on the phone, lovely lady, she passed on a couple of my questions to the man himself, who was in the workshop, I must say, how nice it was to be able to actually talk to someone, and to someone who really knows their stuff!.

The bearing cost about £28 with VAT, which I think is a good price, was delivered the next day!.

I have no affiliation with Mick Hemmings, just happy to be able to deal with someone with his wealth of Norton knowledge, I will certainly be ordering more from them, very good service indeed,

John

Well John you did better than me at 28GBP including VAT, as you can see I paid only a week ago 32.50GBP plus VAT. In any case I wanted to share the personal note from the Hemmings as seen on the attached pic. They seem like very kind folks.

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Hello NorBecer,

The price difference will be down to the suppliers, apparently the bearings are not too easy to get hold of!, and the prices do fluctuate some!!, guess I was lucky on the day!.

I will agree, very nice people to deal with, I have just ordered the engine and gearbox DVD's, and also have an article showing Mick Hemmings rebuilding the AMC box, classic and motorcycle mechanics, very good article.

John