Hair pulling.

Oh sorry, too early in the am for me.
But same same for the " if it's not British it's crap" crowd.
The styling on the Chinese bike is quite nice.

Glen
 
Nah Glen, you’d still lose that one hands down, Taiton just doesn’t have the same ring to it as Thaiumph.

Or does it...?!
 
My final contribution to polluting this thread it:
The silver lining in this unfortunate situation is, at least if the engine produced by Jinlang is identical to our 961s, we'll have a source of really cheap parts.
 
BritTwit said:
My final contribution to polluting this thread it:
The silver lining in this unfortunate situation is, at least if the engine produced by Jinlang is identical to our 961s, we'll have a source of really cheap parts.
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True.
And the famously poor Chinese quality might be an improvement too ;)
 
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Seen this picture on FB earlier in the year, it was put up as an artists 'concept'. Two HUGE problems with it, 1) the battery doesn't appear anywhere nor does an alternate oil tank so must assume they are both still under that tiny tank which couldn't hold more than a gallon, 2) no ABS so couldn't be sold within the EU, and given the size of the rear seat hump they wouldn't have anywhere to put the ABS unit anyway!
 
My hair pulling is that the new owners seem to have done very little PR. I want to hear about progress with existing models and new ones and thoughts on adding new dealers.

These forums are very useful but they also scare the living bejusus out of me. Gear linkages breaking, clutch baskets failing, knock off sensors failing etc. I love to look at mine in the garage and love taking it out when possible but i always now wonder whether I will get stranded and need breakdown assistance and then costs involved in getting it fixed. I shouldn't really feel like this with around 2700 on the clock.

I would really like if some Norton representative appeared on these threads and listened to our concerns, admitted previous failings and attempted to assist. Even if they suggested something like all mark 2 owners could chip up £1000 and get all known issues fixed along with some warranty. Mark 1 maybe a tad more.

I really want to keep mine forever and maybe purchase another, but if I suffer like some of you guys have, I would struggle to stay loyal. I am 55 with not a lot of spare time, maybe i will get more time over the coming years to learn more about the bike to do work myself but until then, I want to feel more confident in what i ride. As some will remember, i suffered initial quality issues, not least my disk brake bolts vibrating loose and trying to kill me. Then my chain guard fracturing and bouncing off the chain at 80mph+
 
Welshrugby said:
My hair pulling is that the new owners seem to have done very little PR. I want to hear about progress with existing models and new ones and thoughts on adding new dealers.

These forums are very useful but they also scare the living bejusus out of me. Gear linkages breaking, clutch baskets failing, knock off sensors failing etc. I love to look at mine in the garage and love taking it out when possible but i always now wonder whether I will get stranded and need breakdown assistance and then costs involved in getting it fixed. I shouldn't really feel like this with around 2700 on the clock.

I would really like if some Norton representative appeared on these threads and listened to our concerns, admitted previous failings and attempted to assist. Even if they suggested something like all mark 2 owners could chip up £1000 and get all known issues fixed along with some warranty. Mark 1 maybe a tad more.

I really want to keep mine forever and maybe purchase another, but if I suffer like some of you guys have, I would struggle to stay loyal. I am 55 with not a lot of spare time, maybe i will get more time over the coming years to learn more about the bike to do work myself but until then, I want to feel more confident in what i ride. As some will remember, i suffered initial quality issues, not least my disk brake bolts vibrating loose and trying to kill me. Then my chain guard fracturing and bouncing off the chain at 80mph+
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I would think that after 2700 miles you have done a good shakedown run ?
 
Welshrugby said:
My hair pulling is that the new owners seem to have done very little PR. I want to hear about progress with existing models and new ones and thoughts on adding new dealers.

These forums are very useful but they also scare the living bejusus out of me. Gear linkages breaking, clutch baskets failing, knock off sensors failing etc. I love to look at mine in the garage and love taking it out when possible but i always now wonder whether I will get stranded and need breakdown assistance and then costs involved in getting it fixed. I shouldn't really feel like this with around 2700 on the clock.

I would really like if some Norton representative appeared on these threads and listened to our concerns, admitted previous failings and attempted to assist. Even if they suggested something like all mark 2 owners could chip up £1000 and get all known issues fixed along with some warranty. Mark 1 maybe a tad more.

I really want to keep mine forever and maybe purchase another, but if I suffer like some of you guys have, I would struggle to stay loyal. I am 55 with not a lot of spare time, maybe i will get more time over the coming years to learn more about the bike to do work myself but until then, I want to feel more confident in what i ride. As some will remember, i suffered initial quality issues, not least my disk brake bolts vibrating loose and trying to kill me. Then my chain guard fracturing and bouncing off the chain at 80mph+
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I hope (rather optimistically perhaps) that TVS are doing a bit of a Bloor...

When Bloor bought Triumph he just kept completely quiet, then BOOM hit the world with a range of motorcycles that blew everyone away.

Garner was the opposite, he was a master at manipulating the media, so there’d be a media event every time Norton changed a spark plug. I think we all saw through it in the end, we’d buy MCN because of the huge Norton headline only to read a road test of another new Ltd edition Commando that was the same as the previous one, just a different colour.

So maybe, just maybe, instead of wasting their time on Garner style bullshit, they are working hard behind the scenes on motorcycle engineering ?
 
I got news (that you probably already know) for you. The Bloor family isn't doing so hot either. Massive layoffs, quality control issues. No bikes made in the UK....thank goodness. They are passing blame on Covid but their troubles started a while before that ever happened.
 
Britfan60 said:
I got news (that you probably already know) for you. The Bloor family isn't doing so hot either. Massive layoffs, quality control issues. No bikes made in the UK....thank goodness. They are passing blame on Covid but their troubles started a while before that ever happened.
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Take a look at Stuart Fillingham’s vlogs on that subject, on utube. He has an interesting take on the situation and unfortunately, it does’nt look too great for Triumph. Certainly not all about Covid.
 
Got to love that! A Blogger with inside contacts(?) or MCN (pre Covid). Which is fake news? I really hope it’s Fillingham. I’m not really interested in owning a Triumph (although I lIke the TFC Thruxton) but would like to see them going from strength to strength. They are still a relatively small player with less capacity to ride out ( pardon the pun) any lengthy period of decline. I really don’t like that they have pushed all manufacture (assembly) off-shore whilst really pushing the Britishness of the marque but hey, it’s still Triumph right.
 
They expect to build about 4500 bikes in the UK in 2020. The TFC is UK built as are some other limited production bikes.
UK workforce is listed at 1044.
Elsewhere about 1500.
UK workforce is heavy to designers, engineers, = high paid jobs.
These numbers are pre-covid.
They are laying off 240 in the UK and 160 elsewhere.
Covid has been great for bicycle sales, especially ebikes, but apparently not so great for motorcycles.

Glen
 
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worntorn said:
They expect to build about 4500 bikes in the UK in 2020. The TFC is UK built as are some other limited production bikes.
UK workforce is listed at 1044.
Elsewhere about 1500.
UK workforce is heavy to designers, engineers, = high paid jobs.
These numbers are pre-covid.
They are laying off 240 in the UK and 160 elsewhere.
Covid has been great for bicycle sales, especially ebikes, but apparently not so great for motorcycles.

Glen
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I strongly strongly strongly disagree with the statement of the TFC bikes being built in the UK. That’s a false statement. Sorry.
 
That's three stronglys!
Have you toured the UK factories?
I haven't , so I go with MCN news and UK business news.
From a UK business publication
"According to MCN, the main production of Triumph’s motorcycles is moving to Thailand. So, only 4,500 bikes per year will remain to be built at the Hinckley factory in the UK.

The motorcycles in Triumph’s model range still made in Great Britain will be TFC bikes and special projects"
 
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And this quote directly from Triumph earlier this year

Triumph’s Hinckley factory will have a new bespoke assembly line.
"To facilitate the more efficient production of specialist prototype bikes and the continued manufacturing of high-end bespoke motorcycles such as the Triumph Factory Custom (TFC) bikes,” said
Triumph Motorcycles
 
worntorn said:
That's three stronglys!
Have you toured the UK factories?
I haven't , so I go with MCN news and UK business news.
From a UK business publication
"According to MCN, the main production of Triumph’s motorcycles is moving to Thailand. So, only 4,500 bikes per year will remain to be built at the Hinckley factory in the UK.

The motorcycles in Triumph’s model range still made in Great Britain will be TFC bikes and special projects"
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Well I own a new 2020 Triumph Bobber TFC and unless I’m mistaken, all the faces pictured in the TFC build booklet that came with my bike and signed by John Bloor are all Asian.
I never been to the UK, but I’m pretty sure it’s not a Asian country.
 
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