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So...how long can tyres be stored?
A long time...in a vacuum. It is heat and oxygen and shop tool use that degrades rubber.

 
I feel sure that motorcycle tires will continue to be produced - it's a big market. However, the writing may be on the wall for our skinny tires - at least for the more modern ones. It's already hard to find tube tires that you would want so we use tubeless with tubes. Dunlop, Michelin, and Metzeler still sell Avon-looking tires on Amazon and the Dunlop K70s are still available there too. If Avon quits, maybe Dunlop will fill the hole.
 
So...how long can tyres be stored?
I won a pair of Avons years ago at one of the INOA rally's .. They were wrapped in plastic when i put them away in climate controlled storage . Roughly 8 years later i pulled them out and put them on . They smelled new , felt new and lasted 6 years and about 6000 miles worth on the rear .. The front was still good but i decided to change both at the same time .. I'm sure the tire experts will tell you different but then again , they are in sales ...i am not .
 
I feel sure that motorcycle tires will continue to be produced - it's a big market. However, the writing may be on the wall for our skinny tires - at least for the more modern ones. It's already hard to find tube tires that you would want so we use tubeless with tubes. Dunlop, Michelin, and Metzeler still sell Avon-looking tires on Amazon and the Dunlop K70s are still available there too. If Avon quits, maybe Dunlop will fill the hole.
Looks like they are Brexiting...to France.

 
Some folks may infer that a closing down of a UK manufacturer to relocate to France (an EU country) may indicate a Brexit component. Not an unreasonable inference IMHO.
Whatever the reason for the Avon factory's uncompetitiveness, it's a tragedy.
The discontinuation of the Motorsport programme is certainly a kick in the teeth, and not just for us sporty minded motorcyclists.
 
Some folks may infer that a closing down of a UK manufacturer to relocate to France (an EU country) may indicate a Brexit component. Not an unreasonable inference IMHO.
Whatever the reason for the Avon factory's uncompetitiveness, it's a tragedy.
The discontinuation of the Motorsport programme is certainly a kick in the teeth, and not just for us sporty minded motorcyclists.
You can infer whatever you wish.

But what has been stated is that they’re going through a consolidation exercise (ie plant closures)… that they are wanting to set up a large ‘centre of excellence’… and that they are closing a plant that had a history of under performance (these were in this article and some others where this has been discussed elsewhere on this site).
 
Whatever the reason for the Avon factory's uncompetitiveness, it's a tragedy.


Avon only seems to be doing what Dunlop did in the early nineties with motorcycle tyre production and I don't recall it being thought of as any great tragedy at the time and I think even the most fervent of anti-Brexiteers would have difficulty spinning that to have been caused by Brexit.
 
Avon only seems to be doing what Dunlop did in the early nineties with motorcycle tyre production and I don't recall it being thought of as any great tragedy at the time and I think even the most fervent of anti-Brexiteers would have difficulty spinning that to have been caused by Brexit.
They have stated that motorcycle tyre production will continue. If they’re right in that production is moving to a better plant, it’s entirely possible that supply will improve for us all.

The worry for some though, is that they may well reduce the product lines, ie drop some of the low volume products. And of particular worry is that they have stated the discontinuation of the Cooper Motorsport programme, which sounds like it might mean and end to their racing tyres.
 
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I've been trying to figure out Avon's history this morning with not much luck so I wrote a long post asking a bunch of questions and then accidentally figured most out. Why is Avon headquartered in Ohio - surely a US company would not have tyre in it's name. That is their worldwide headquarters, but then they aren't an autonomous company. Another question was who was really moving from the UK? Apparently not Avon, Cooper. But then, Cooper is not an autonomous company. So, probably not in a legal sense, but Goodyear is consolidating Avon-branded motorcycle manufacturer in France. Also, the Avon "headquarters" is an office in the Goodyear headquarters.

Before you strike, I admit I may still not understand. When companies merge or are acquired, they often make it as difficult as they can to know who is who for marketing purposes. I just hope the tires will remain available and the price will quit going crazy.
 
As yet there is no confirmation the tyres in the sizes used on Commandos will continue to be made in France. Rubber products made in the UK are easily shipped to the USA, this is not the case with EU rubber products, and we expect this to hit our tyre sales into the USA, that is if the sizes are made in France.
The future does not look to good on the tyre front at the moment with this news and other manufacturers reducing the number of tyre sizes they produce.
 
Looks like they are Brexiting...to France.

Since Goodyear now owns both Dunlop and Avon, this reconciliation could mean the demise of either the K81 or the AM26 Roadrider. Why have two entries in a small market such as the classic 19" motorcycle tire?
 
Since the K81's(my favorite) are produced in Indonesia, I hope that they will stay available.
 
Andy Molar and Summerfield build beautiful road racing machines. If they can survive, there will always be somebody making tyres in sizes to suit their bikes - 18 inch and 19 inch. There was somebody advertising tyre for vintage machines a while back. What sort of idiot would make Fullauto cylinder heads for Commandos ? - the market must be miniscule. But they are available.
About tyres going off. They go hard but after a couple of laps of a race circuit, they usually soften. But one thing I never do is let a bike stand with a flat tyre. The stress on the side-walls can cause them to crack. And you might not detect it.
Many riders are tyre dependent, but mostly tyres are about rider confidence - if your tyres are new, you feel better.
If you go out onto a race circuit and don't use the first 5 laps to come up to speed, you risk dropping the bike. Even when tyres are 20 years old, when they heat up they will regain some grip - a lot depends on tyre pressures. If you don't have enough grip, you can always lower the tyre pressure. But if you have really old tyres, you are better to replace them and start anew.
The other thing is the steering geometry on your bike. If you have enough trail on the steering, the bike stays more upright and oversteers in the correct direction as you accelerate. Then you do not need a lot of grip. But more grip is always better.
Back when I was a kid, there was a lot of bullshit involved in racing - we often wondered why the old guys were faster, on old bikes which looked like shit-heaps.
What we really needed to do was test-ride their bikes.
I have ridden in practice sessions with old A grade riders. They were not much faster, but much smoother. You need a bike which helps you, more than you need increased horsepower.
When you have a new race bike, it can take several race meetings before it become sensible. It is easy to build a bike which will scare you shitless.
 
Andy Molar and Summerfield build beautiful road racing machines. If they can survive, there will always be somebody making tyres in sizes to suit their bikes - 18 inch and 19 inch. There was somebody advertising tyre for vintage machines a while back. What sort of idiot would make Fullauto cylinder heads for Commandos ? - the market must be miniscule. But they are available.
About tyres going off. They go hard but after a couple of laps of a race circuit, they usually soften. But one thing I never do is let a bike stand with a flat tyre. The stress on the side-walls can cause them to crack. And you might not detect it.
Many riders are tyre dependent, but mostly tyres are about rider confidence - if your tyres are new, you feel better.
If you go out onto a race circuit and don't use the first 5 laps to come up to speed, you risk dropping the bike. Even when tyres are 20 years old, when they heat up they will regain some grip - a lot depends on tyre pressures. If you don't have enough grip, you can always lower the tyre pressure. But if you have really old tyres, you are better to replace them and start anew.
The other thing is the steering geometry on your bike. If you have enough trail on the steering, the bike stays more upright and oversteers in the correct direction as you accelerate. Then you do not need a lot of grip. But more grip is always better.
Back when I was a kid, there was a lot of bullshit involved in racing - we often wondered why the old guys were faster, on old bikes which looked like shit-heaps.
What we really needed to do was test-ride their bikes.
I have ridden in practice sessions with old A grade riders. They were not much faster, but much smoother. You need a bike which helps you, more than you need increased horsepower.
When you have a new race bike, it can take several race meetings before it become sensible. It is easy to build a bike which will scare you shitless.
Al - it took a lot of determination to read through your post and I still can't understand what your point is.
This thread is about the demise of Avons being made in the UK.
Can you simplify it for a mere mortal like me?
 
Al - it took a lot of determination to read through your post and I still can't understand what your point is.
This thread is about the demise of Avons being made in the UK.
Can you simplify it for a mere mortal like me?
I think his point was made in the first two sentences. The point being that Molnar et al might ensure continued supply of Racing Avon tyres for Manxes.

Which is good news for those who want them, but irrelevant to road going Commandos.

No idea what the rest of the post was about…
 
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