Forget the V4 - New Crighton CR700W

Completely agree on variety, my collection shows that...but I wouldnt choose something thats just not my bag. Still appreciate the engineering involved though.
 
The sound of the Rotary is awesome , kinda 2 stroke like but with 4 stroke powerband. The information implies that he is using better apex seals ?
 
Stu Bodycote said:
Total smoothness sounds bloody terrible. Its a bike, not a Bentley. For me, a bike should feel alive and scary, and nothing like an electric motor.
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It won't be long before electric motors will rule the roost, :rolleyes: glad I lived through the sixties, seventies eighties nineties and so on to sample all the diifferent makes and models.
 
peebee said:
It won't be long before electric motors will rule the roost, :rolleyes: glad I lived through the sixties, seventies eighties nineties and so on to sample all the diifferent makes and models.
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I'm dreading the future. I'm 44, but I'm kinda stuck in the past with what I like. Ive got 23yrs until retirement (divorce made sure I'm working to I'm 67), which means the electric world will most certainly be thrust upon my working day at some point...it's already trickling in.
80s & 90s is my preferred era.
 
What you have to look at is what ‘does it’ for you about classic bikes. It may be the look, the sound, the smell, the riding position, the name but there are always aspects of them you are happy to consign to the automotive dustbin such as dodgy handling, brakes, reliability, electrics etc unless you are after concourse bike preparation. As soon as electric battery/motor installations become sensible I think a lot of so called classic bike fans will be embracing the conveniences of electric power if there are still enough of the classic bike references, fake though they may be, to keep them happy.

I am a bit too young to have ridden bikes in the 60s but after riding an assortment of revered machines at the National Motorcycle Museum I was shocked at how awful some of them felt.....
 
Stu Bodycote said:
Its not right or wrong, its an opinion. You like smooth engines, where as I dont find much excitement from something so smooth that my pocket change will stand up on it when being revved up. I find inline 4s and V4s overly smooth..let alone a rotary. Much prefer the feel of a twin, whether v or parallel. Engine noise has nothing to do with feeling of a smooth engine. But, the figures of the OPs topic, certainly excite....that power to weight is mental.
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Interesting - I find my Combat's engine to be very smooth, as smooth as a 4 cylinder in my opinion - wasn't always that way..

I had some catching up to do on routine maintenance and tuning after it sat idle for a few years. IMHO - biggest gains were from 3 things - a properly tensioned cam chain, new needle jets, and a TriSpark ignition.

Throttle control is rheostatic now. Before I had to dump the throttle right off/pull the clutch to make a tight corner, now I can stay on the power/neutral throttle all the way through without the machine losing composure.

FWIW
 
Clive said:
What you have to look at is what ‘does it’ for you about classic bikes. It may be the look, the sound, the smell, the riding position, the name but there are always aspects of them you are happy to consign to the automotive dustbin such as dodgy handling, brakes, reliability, electrics etc unless you are after concourse bike preparation. As soon as electric battery/motor installations become sensible I think a lot of so called classic bike fans will be embracing the conveniences of electric power if there are still enough of the classic bike references, fake though they may be, to keep them happy.

I am a bit too young to have ridden bikes in the 60s but after riding an assortment of revered machines at the National Motorcycle Museum I was shocked at how awful some of them felt.....
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Once the E-revolution is no longer a revolution, but the norm, and ICE machines are distant memories, creative owners will find ways to make their bikes more interesting. With E-bikes having basically standard motors, there will be manufacturers building "hot" motor replacements. Motors that deliver more power than the original supplied motor, but maybe don't last as long. So people will be hotting up bikes in the future, just in different manner that we did in the past with ICE machines.

When I was a kid we raced slot cars at store front slot car clubs. The cars had small electric motors with brushes. If we wanted a faster car, we took the motor apart, removed the windings of armature wire, replaced the wire with fewer windings of smaller wire.
Viola, more power, a faster slot car, but with a motor that generated a lot more heat, and eventually burned out prematurely.

Also, without the need for complex ignition and fuel control system logic, it's likely that it will be easier to build "bootlegged" replacement harnesses for E-bikes, to get around various control system logic.
 
I’m not giving up that easily. There‘s not enough precious metals in the world to go completely EV.
Still hoping that we have to accept that two strokes, synthetic fuels, hydrogen and rotary hybrids will give us petrol heads some excitement.
 
As long as the enviro-nazis have control for the governments, we will be forced to comply with their e-future for the world.
They will use their political power to force everyone to freeze in the winter, sizzle in the summer, and stop using fossil fuels of any kind.
This is the new one world religion, and it is only getting worse.

Porsche is suggesting that it has a net zero synthetic fuel that would have none of the carbon impact of current petroleum fuels. Conceivably, this might be way to continue or extend the acceptability of ICE powered vehicles into the future, in spite of the best efforts of the enviro-nazis. Several petroleum companies are also researching plant based net zero fuels. So the claim that we can see an end to ICE vehicles may be premature.

I noticed this week that Porsche has suggested that they will compete in F1 beginning in the 2026 season if F1 will commit to using net zero green fuels. I guess Porsche will supply the green fuel.
should be interesting, and maybe point the way forward for the motor industry.
 
Just look on the bright side, everyone on this forum will either be infirm or dead before the infernal engines are gone totally, so worry about something else instead.:eek::eek:
 
peebee said:
Just look on the bright side, everyone on this forum will either be infirm or dead before the infernal engines are gone totally, so worry about something else instead.:eek::eek:
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Speak for yourself :D
I spoke to a NOC member this evening, 78 with a 650bhp jaguar amongst his collection...and he's still hustling bikes about. That alone gives me a other 34 years of petrol abuse in me to match him :)
 
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Stu Bodycote said:
Speak for yourself :D
I spoke to a NOC member this evening, 78 with a 650bhp jaguar amongst his collection...and he's still hustling bikes about. That alone gives me a other 34 years of petrol abuse in me to match him :)
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No care home for me thanks I want to crash and burn on some fast race circuit in a ball of flame. How’s that gonna happen on an eBike with 3D abs cornering???
 
peebee said:
Just look on the bright side, everyone on this forum will either be infirm or dead before the infernal engines are gone totally, so worry about something else instead.:eek::eek:
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Thanks for bringing us all back down to earth.;)
 
Clive said:
No care home for me thanks I want to crash and burn on some fast race circuit in a ball of flame. How’s that gonna happen on an eBike with 3D abs cornering???
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Don't forget eBike virtual sound, those eBikes are too quite by themselves.
If i'm gonna crash and burn, I want to be doing it to the eTune of a loud, big bore Harley V-Twin.
 
What I think the political class has forgotten about is the youth…

When e vehicles become the norm, the kids are gonna be hot shots at chipping them, re programming them, generally hot rodding them up in ways we can’t imagine.

Tuning will be incredably effective… dirt cheap… and virtually invisible.

Kids are gonna be flying around the place with the equivalent of super cars / bikes.

Its gonna be carnage.

I’m starting to become a tad envious…
 
At the rate that government organizations are clamping down on vehicles I can see a day soon when all vehicles are very closely controlled through remote electronic oversight.

Cameras, and speed sensors are everywhere today. This is increasing exponentially year after year.
Very soon, speed laws will be enforced remotely through networks of sensors.
Already, authorities are considering the advantage of vehicles broadcasting their WIFI id while operating.
This would facilitate locating the vehicle in the event of an accident.
Speeding vehicles could also be detected, and automatically fined.

However, the greatest benefit for the authorities would be the ability to remotely shutdown, by direct WIFI connection, any vehicle remotely that may be detected being operated "unsafely".

All of this tech exists right now. Governments are not currently permitted to implement these types of controls, but be certain, just as the enviro-nazis are forcing massive changes to our energy policies for the "good of the environment", the same form of excesses can be bureaucratically justified to "protect motorists" from their own "dangerous" behaviors.

George Orwell was a bit premature with his "1984."
I think he would have been right on if he had chosen 2084 instead.
 
BritTwit said:
At the rate that government organizations are clamping down on vehicles I can see a day soon when all vehicles are very closely controlled through remote electronic oversight.

Cameras, and speed sensors are everywhere today. This is increasing exponentially year after year.
Very soon, speed laws will be enforced remotely through networks of sensors.
Already, authorities are considering the advantage of vehicles broadcasting their WIFI id while operating.
This would facilitate locating the vehicle in the event of an accident.
Speeding vehicles could also be detected, and automatically fined.

However, the greatest benefit for the authorities would be the ability to remotely shutdown, by direct WIFI connection, any vehicle remotely that may be detected being operated "unsafely".

All of this tech exists right now. Governments are not currently permitted to implement these types of controls, but be certain, just as the enviro-nazis are forcing massive changes to our energy policies for the "good of the environment", the same form of excesses can be bureaucratically justified to "protect motorists" from their own "dangerous" behaviors.

George Orwell was a bit premature with his "1984."
I think he would have been right on if he had chosen 2084 instead.
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Seems to me that my prediction is likely to come true first, thereby giving the authorities the excuse to implement yours…
 
Fast Eddie said:
Seems to me that my prediction is likely to come true first, thereby giving the authorities the excuse to implement yours…
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No doubt.
My concern is that the brave new world where all is controlled by the state, is not far off.
Beijing already has a social credit system that scores their citizens by their "proper/improper" behavior.

In the US, we have Big Tech cancelling folks who voice opinions that they don't agree with.
With the young, this results in de-facto censorship since they spend all their time online on their phones.
This is the kind of censorship that a government could only have dreamed of previously.
 
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