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There is a new long-term food study out being widely reported today: https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/10/health/planetary-diet-longevity-study-wellness/index.html

I'm sure most of it is true, but still a bit annoying when the whole story is not told.

They go on about saving the planet by not eating or eating less animals. And they tell you how much a cow farts in a day. Cows eat vegtable matter. Cows turn that into meat that we eat. Vegetables make us fart, eating meat means we fart much less. There are about 1.5B cows in the world and 8.1B humans in the world.

Would there be any net gain if we didn't eat cows? Seems like 8.1B humans eating vegetables instead of cows would make more methane! Of course, they want to not to eat animals but focused on cows.
 
When me and my mate were in " Uni " he had a girlfriend who was a " veggie " as was her flatmate, anyway we both got invited to dinner.

I have to say the food was tasty enough but to be honest I didn't have a clue what it was what with me being a committed carnivore.

To cut to the chase or rather the next morning I had my belly distendended with gas, my arsehole was like a cross between a tornado blowing and a volcano erupting and if it had continued I'd have ended up with an arse like a blood orange, it was a close enough call anyway !

It taught me that being a veggie wasn't for me.

Another ( veggie ) mate when I was an apprentice had a party trick, he'd sit in a chair and lift both legs up in the air resting them on the table, next he'd blow a fart through his jeans and with a cigarette lighter he'd set light to the fart and create an impressive looking flame several inches long ! His record was a continuously lit fart for 11 seconds - true !!

Gottta laugh he did this trick one day and must have had a blowback, his jeans got singed as did the hairs on his arse.
 
I have no problems with vegans or others who choose alternatives to meat or dairy products or what ever they choose to eat or live on, but what does get me is these so called vegans who try to force everyone to their believes/life styles or ways of living, these vegan actives who block farms and meat process plants stopping people who are working to make ends meet, the working people doing their jobs etc and families making a living off the land.
Then there are the alternatives to dairy products like milk, they selling plant milk, its not milk as milk is a dairy product made from cows or other animals, not a plant so why do they call it milk when its not, same with plant meat that's not real meat, if they make alternatives to meat etc then call it what ever but don't call it meat, the list goes on, but don't call it something it's not.
Then they also use untruths to justified their alternatives to what most people live on, my point is if people want to live alternative life styles then do so but don't force others into their beliefs, but I love all foods, love my fresh veggies, fish, meat etc etc, anything that looks good on a plate, but we all have a choice in what we eat, just don't like to be told what's good for us or what we should be eating it's our choice, not theirs, but I stay away from junk food, marketing has also changed the way we eat or what we eat, but it's up to us to decide what we eat, no one else.

Ashley
 
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ashman said:
I have no problems with vegans or others who choose alternatives to meat or dairy products or what ever they choose to eat or live on, but what does get me is these so called vegans who try to force everyone to their believes/life styles or ways of living, these vegan actives who block farms and meat process plants stopping people who are working to make ends meet, the working people doing their jobs etc and families making a living off the land.
Then there are the alternatives to dairy products like milk, they selling plant milk, its not milk as milk is a dairy product made from cows or other animals, not a plant so why do they call it milk when its not, same with plant meat that's not real meat, if they make alternatives to meat etc then call it what ever but don't call it meat, the list goes on, but don't call it something it's not.
Then they also use untruths to justified their alternatives to what most people live on, my point is if people want to live alternative life styles then do so but don't force others into their beliefs, but I love all foods, love my fresh veggies, fish, meat etc etc, anything that looks good on a plate, but we all have a choice in what we eat, just don't like to be told what's good for us or what we should be eating it's our choice, not theirs, but I stay away from junk food, marketing has also changed the way we eat or what we eat, but it's up to us to decide what we eat, no one else.

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You don't fancy the mealworms then Ash? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
marshg246 said:
There is a new long-term food study out being widely reported today: https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/10/health/planetary-diet-longevity-study-wellness/index.html

I'm sure most of it is true, but still a bit annoying when the whole story is not told.

They go on about saving the planet by not eating or eating less animals. And they tell you how much a cow farts in a day. Cows eat vegtable matter. Cows turn that into meat that we eat. Vegetables make us fart, eating meat means we fart much less. There are about 1.5B cows in the world and 8.1B humans in the world.

Would there be any net gain if we didn't eat cows? Seems like 8.1B humans eating vegetables instead of cows would make more methane! Of course, they want to not to eat animals but focused on cows.
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The point is that it's much more efficient for humans to eat plants than to raise animals which eat plants to turn into meat which is then eaten by humans, so yes it would give a marked reduction in fart volume.
Personally, my wife & myself don't eat nearly as much meat as we used to, and I really don't miss it. I'm not going round preaching to the unwashed masses, but it makes for a very varied diet if you don't restrict yourself to a specific category of food. Makes me a sort of multi-fuel engine I suppose :cool:
 
To be honest humans weren't really design to eat meat, if we were we would have fangs like dogs to be able to rip into meat, we have teeth more design for plant food, but meat taste so good, but the last 3 nights I cooked up a big pot of pea and ham hock soup, with lots of onions and garlic to keep the winter bugs away, as well a few friends lol.
 
ashman said:
To be honest humans weren't really design to eat meat, if we were we would have fangs like dogs to be able to rip into meat, we have teeth more design for plant food, but meat taste so good, but the last 3 nights I cooked up a big pot of pea and ham hock soup, with lots of onions and garlic to keep the winter bugs away, as well a few friends lol.
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That's not true, Ash. We have incisor teeth which all meat eating animals have evolved to have. We also have molars, like herbivores, which grind a variety of different foods. The thing that we developed to hunt other animals for meat was a big brain. We also evolved to have a social relationships, wherein we cooperated with each other which eliminated the need to have any sort of fangs or claws in order to be effective hunters...

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SteveBorland said:
The point is that it's much more efficient for humans to eat plants than to raise animals which eat plants to turn into meat which is then eaten by humans, so yes it would give a marked reduction in fart volume.
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So, using the best numbers I can find, cows worldwide eat between 10B and 30B pounds of digestible vegetable matter per day. Humans, if no longer eating animals would be eating 12B and 20B pounds of digestible vegetable matter per day. Of course, people eat other animals as well. In the stores around me, the beef sections are tiny/ Pork is the largest section followed by chicken. I certainly don't buy a small piece of beef for $22 when that money will buy three days worth of pork or chicken. On the other hand, humans eating only vegetables will still require protein and vegetables high in protein cause way more gas than grass.

Whether your right or wrong or in the middle, the point was that the report did not cover the subject. If you're going to give facts on one side of an issue, it's simply politics when you don't give facts on the other side. My point remains: "I'm sure most of it is true, but still a bit annoying when the whole story is not told."
 
ashman said:
To be honest humans weren't really design to eat meat, if we were we would have fangs like dogs to be able to rip into meat, we have teeth more design for plant food, but meat taste so good, but the last 3 nights I cooked up a big pot of pea and ham hock soup, with lots of onions and garlic to keep the winter bugs away, as well a few friends lol.
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Humans evolved to be able to eat a range of food. We certainly have teeth that allow us to eat meat and vegetable matter. Given time, domestic dogs eating what we feed them will no longer have extended fangs either! We also learned to cook food which makes almost all forms of food easier and safer to eat.

Next time you want peas, try them without cooking - you have the proper teeth for the job :D Be sure to use the dried ones so they don't have to be eaten soon after picking.
 
I do not fully buy into the argument that eating meet is bad for the environment at all, the so called logic is too convoluted IMO.

I also really take issue with how such arguments are decided upon. Think about it, we are trying to argue that a particular type of food consumption is causing the planet to heat up. I find it quite bizarre.

If we really wanted to link food consumption to emissions of some kind I think it’s fairly obvious to call out the cooking process. However we cook, the heat requires fuel of some kind that creates emissions. So where are all the calls to ban cooking and only eat raw ?!?

Another one is the consumption of non local foods. EVERYTHING that’s not local has had to be transported, refrigerated, etc. So where are all the calls to ban avercados in London, just for example !

There aren’t any because people like eating cooked food and they like eating nice foods !!

So ANYONE calling out one food group as bad whilst continuing to cook theirs, or eat exotic non local produce, is simply a hypocrite.

Fun fact: I was a vegetarian for 30 years (true) and I’m now doing my hardest to catch that back and end on net zero overall meat reduction !!
 
Fast Eddie said:
I do not fully buy into the argument that eating meet is bad for the environment at all, the so called logic is too convoluted IMO.

I also really take issue with how such arguments are decided upon. Think about it, we are trying to argue that a particular type of food consumption is causing the planet to heat up. I find it quite bizarre.

If we really wanted to link food consumption to emissions of some kind I think it’s fairly obvious to call out the cooking process. However we cook, the heat requires fuel of some kind that creates emissions. So where are all the calls to ban cooking and only eat raw ?!?

Another one is the consumption of nine local foods. EVERYTHING that’s not local has had to be transported, refrigerated, etc. So where are all the calls to ban avercados in London for example !

There aren’t any because people like eating cooked food and they like eating nice foods !!

So ANYONE calling out one food group as bad whilst continuing to cook theirs, or eat exotic none local produce, is simply a hypocrite.

Fun fact: I was a vegetarian for 30 years (true) and I’m now doing my hardest to catch that back and end on net zero overall meat reduction !!
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Absolutely! There is a LOT more to consider that what that study "studied".

It's like the fact that hydrogen is the perfect fuel, unless you consider that collecting it is net negative on energy available verses energy used to collect and that to make it safe to use takes extreme measures.
 
marshg246 said:
So, using the best numbers I can find, cows worldwide eat between 10B and 30B pounds of digestible vegetable matter per day. Humans, if no longer eating animals would be eating 12B and 20B pounds of digestible vegetable matter per day. Of course, people eat other animals as well. In the stores around me, the beef sections are tiny/ Pork is the largest section followed by chicken. I certainly don't buy a small piece of beef for $22 when that money will buy three days worth of pork or chicken. On the other hand, humans eating only vegetables will still require protein and vegetables high in protein cause way more gas than grass.

Whether your right or wrong or in the middle, the point was that the report did not cover the subject. If you're going to give facts on one side of an issue, it's simply politics when you don't give facts on the other side. My point remains: "I'm sure most of it is true, but still a bit annoying when the whole story is not told."
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They never do then do they?
 
I ve been veg only for 50 years. I do it because it is the right thing to do. Anyone who doesn't
is not only wrong but criminal. I know better than you do. Do as I say. I am only trying to help
you. No, you cannot decide what is best for you. You simply don't know.
...I may be running for public office in the next election. Keep that in mind.
 
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