Fiberglass tank cleaning.

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The polysulfide product I have has been modified, so its feasible to use as a slosh type sealer. This looks an awful lot better than the high temp epoxy laminating resins which most are selling as tank sealers, and personally I get the feeling that a sealing product that actually worked would have a very wide market!
 
Carbonfibre said:
The polysulfide product I have has been modified, so its feasible to use as a slosh type sealer. This looks an awful lot better than the high temp epoxy laminating resins which most are selling as tank sealers, and personally I get the feeling that a sealing product that actually worked would have a very wide market!


mr martini will most likely need something again shortly :shock:
 
mikegray660 said:
Carbonfibre said:
The polysulfide product I have has been modified, so its feasible to use as a slosh type sealer. This looks an awful lot better than the high temp epoxy laminating resins which most are selling as tank sealers, and personally I get the feeling that a sealing product that actually worked would have a very wide market!


mr martini will most likely need something again shortly :shock:

Yes...............a new tank!
 
Carbonfibre said:
mikegray660 said:
Carbonfibre said:
The polysulfide product I have has been modified, so its feasible to use as a slosh type sealer. This looks an awful lot better than the high temp epoxy laminating resins which most are selling as tank sealers, and personally I get the feeling that a sealing product that actually worked would have a very wide market!


mr martini will most likely need something again shortly :shock:

Yes...............a new tank!

A steel one!
 
Might have been worth following the advice I posted related to increasing the chances of a snake oil working in an earlier post, then while you probably are going to need a new tank at some stage, it would take a lot longer for the snake to fail.....................
 
Is Caswell a resin? I haven't heard of it until this web site. I used Hirsch in a new, never had fuel tank 4 or 5 years ago. I don't use anything with ethanol or leave fuel in the tank if I'm not using it within 2 weeks and had no trouble,,,,yet. I lined a really crappy steel tank years ago, maybe 20 or more, with Kreem and it's still good. Again no ethanol has been in it. Hirsch looks and smells like the old Kreem. Graeme ( ps, POR 15 tank liner is crap, don't use it)
 
Carbonfibre said:
Might have been worth following the advice I posted related to increasing the chances of a snake oil working in an earlier post, then while you probably are going to need a new tank at some stage, it would take a lot longer for the snake to fail.....................

I did switch to lacquer thinner after your post. I also plan to thin the sealer and do two coats as you suggested. I was thinking of repainting the bike to a 1969 color...I guess I might as well wait until I find a metal tank by the sounds of it. I have read several posts on the INOA site about Caswell's sealer failing after several years.
 
dirtymartini said:
Carbonfibre said:
Might have been worth following the advice I posted related to increasing the chances of a snake oil working in an earlier post, then while you probably are going to need a new tank at some stage, it would take a lot longer for the snake to fail.....................

I did switch to lacquer thinner after your post. I also plan to thin the sealer and do two coats as you suggested. I was thinking of repainting the bike to a 1969 color...I guess I might as well wait until I find a metal tank by the sounds of it. I have read several posts on the INOA site about Caswell's sealer failing after several years.


I would suggest using only soap and water to clean the inside of a GRP tank, as any type of solvent type product will leach into any area of the laminate which has previously been damaged, and come to the surface when the epoxy is curing and make proper adhesion difficult/impossible. Internal abrasion should be carried out using crushed plate glass (broken car windscreen material is ideal) as this is far more effective than the dry liner screws snake oilers suggest, and can be found FOC.

Add something to the epoxy to bulk it out, and while kevlar pulp is ideal for this, its pretty difficult to get hold of, so chopped GRP fibres will work almost as well.

To thin any of the epoxy snake oils, mix the 2 parts, then put the container with the epoxy in it into a saucepan of boiling water, and stir the epoxy until it becomes thin enough to flow properly inside your tank. Caution is needed here though, as heating the resin will speed up the curing process, and the container must be removed from the boiling water and poured into the tank, as soon as it becomes thin enough to be applied properly.

Plug the fuel outlets with modelling clay, and cover the filler cap with duct tape, then move the tank through all planes so the resin covers the inside completely. Heating speeds up the cure process, and depending on which snake you are using, the exotherm process will start quite quickly. When the resin is no longer thin enough to flow easily, remove the duct tape from filler cap, invert the tank and allow excess resin to drain off, and at the same time remove modelling clay from fuel outlets.

When you have done this, the second application needs to be carried out in the same way, and must be done before the resin has fully cured (generally a couple of days), so a good bond with the first coating is achieved.

Its a lot more hassle to carry out sealing in the way outlined above, but this will greatly increase the chances of a longer lasting repair, and the fact that the snake oilers dont provide proper application instructions is something that seems to indicate the complete lack of regard they have for anyone using their products!
 
Its a lot more hassle to carry out sealing in the way outlined above, but this will greatly increase the chances of a longer lasting repair, and the fact that the snake oilers dont provide proper application instructions is something that seems to indicate the complete lack of regard they have for anyone using their products!

CF,
As you point out it is a lot more hassle and you must be careful how much heat you put in the system to avoid initiating the cure prematurely. However, this is also the probable reason why the seller does not include this in his instructions. As I'm sure you have noticed, the reaction is pretty slow at room temperature and I'm sure this was intentional. I expect the seller would have a lot more complaints from the material hardening before the user was ready than the extra time it takes to cure.

If the product was sold only to professionals, it likely would have a faster reaction time and/or the option to heat to thin.
 
In standard form all the snake oils I have seen are far too high viscosity to reliably coat all the interior surfaces of a fuel tank. The only one that did seem to be around the right viscosity was solvent based, and the seller suggested purging the tank with compressed air to get rid of the solvent vapours.............lol

Thinning these products down is certainly problematic, but is well worth trying as using thinned down material in a 2 stage application process is something that greatly increases the chance of the repair lasting much longer.

However while the products can be made to perform far better, they cannot be relied upon to provide anything other than a short term solution to fuel tank problems.

The only 100% sure way to make sure an old type GRP tank will resist Efuels long term, is to section the tank, mechanically abrade the inside surfaces and apply a proper chemical resistance layer, before bonding the 2 parts back together using a chemically resistant bonding paste.
 
Ok, the last rinse the tank had was Dawn and hot water, then a thorough rinsing with cold water. It has been in my basement for about 24hrs where the temperature is around 72-75 degrees. Should I let it dry some more or am I good to go?

I will try CF's method of thinning when I am ready to apply the "Snake Oil"
 
dirtymartini said:
Should I let it dry some more or am I good to go?

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yes- remember the rinse is now in the little cracks/crevices in the tank so it will take more time - if you have a way to force warm air through the tank that will accelerate it drying - you must ensure that it is really dry

unlike most things in life, this is a time you really want a dry crack/crevice - remember there is nothing worse that a wet crack here ......
 
mikegray660 said:
dirtymartini said:
Should I let it dry some more or am I good to go?

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- remember there is nothing worse that a wet crack here ......

LOL,usually that's a good thing! I had the shop vac outlet stuck in the filler neck for about an hour before I put it in the basement near the coal stove :shock:

I think I'll give it another 24 hrs.
 
Time is on your side. Where have I heard that before?

Dave
69S
 
Actually it's 'Time on My Side', I messed up, I've been known to do that.

Dave
 
OK, back on topic...After letting the tank dry near my coal stove for 48+ hours I gave it the first coat of Caswells sealer. I thinned it out in boiling water as per CF's advice. It looks like it adhered fairly well, I'll give it a second coating right after work.
 
Does anyone know what the thread pitch is for the petcocks? I thought they were 1/4 NPT but I was wrong I guess....close but no cigar!
 
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