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john robert bould said:
160 KPH? ,,,No fines!
to slow! 160 MPH :!: Dont even think about it.
quote="acotrel"]How much is the fine in the UK for doing 160 KPH on the M1 ?
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In Australia the police have a slogan - 'speed kills'. They never mention driver competence, the system is directed at collecting revenue and not about improving capabilities. I don't have a problem with motorcyclists speeding on the open highway when there is light traffic, the risks are minimal and tolerable except at dusk when the kangaroos are about. I actually feel sick when I think about riding a motorcycle on our roads, it is the most boring experience and a total waste of great technology.
 
There is something about this that I don't understand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Y2HKBQMQmbw#t=116

It is probably extremely dangerous, however how can it happen without the police going beserk ? I was at the Ducati factory in Bologna in 2008. While I was waiting at the gate one of the workers came up to be let out on his desmosedici to go to lunch. The clutch was rattling, and the motor was booming. I've never been so jealous in my life. In Australia we have extremely beautiful bushland areas however getting to them always involves droning down long highways. I'd love to have one of those Ducatis to go touring, however you could not really do it properly and enjoy it. Road safety is one thing - enjoying life and taking risks is another - they seem mutually exclusive in Australia. I suppose it all depends on values ?
 
Perhaps then you should move to somewhere where the roads have corners, AND hills !
And buy an adventure road bike, something that will last the miles ....

I've done quite a few touring miles in Australia - long empty roads, very little traffic in some parts.
Lots of back roads too, some not even on the map. Great scenery too.
The roos only come out in the early morning and late evening....
 
Sometimes we pay the price,,,

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But the majority of the time there are deserted roads like the Oxley for eg to help make me smile

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Pretty much not so fast that I have to focus so much on avoiding taking a spill I don't enjoy the ride.
So depends on road conditions, traffic, temperature and scenery.
However once I get close to 70 mph with the upright riding position the wind buffeting makes me not want to stay at that speed or above for more than 10-15 minutes.
 
Quick or Dwaddling ? youre liable to be run over . Relitive not Absolute .

" Denis Jenkinson uses his motorcycle side-car racing experience and his work with Sterling Moss as his navigator during his record run in winning the 1955 Mille Miglia race in the Mercedes-Benz 300SLR to describe with practical examples how to drive fast safely. "

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http://www.amazon.com/Racing-Driver-The ... 0837602009

" The police were showing a lot of interest in the Commando and so Neale Shilton was recruited from Triumph to produce a Commando to police specifications. The end result was the 'Interpol' machine, which sold well to police forces, both at home and abroad. The machine was powered by a 750 cc. O.H.V. engine and included panniers, top box, fairing, and had fittings for a radio and auxiliary equipment. "

They had to Get their Own . 8) :wink:

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Matt Spencer said:
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Whats good for the goose is good for a gander . :mrgreen:

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with all due respect .

Excellent return to the key subject, and great period photos!

I really like how the bike is set up, and apart from the lack of rear-set footrests it makes a near-perfect fast tourer (the first sports-tourer?)
With a sponsor like that behind you, how could you possibly fail? :mrgreen:
 
There is only one rule, ride to the conditions and your own ABILITY. Go as fast as you can, with the expectation of being able to ride again the next day.
Cheers Chili
 
rx7171 said:
Pretty much not so fast that I have to focus so much on avoiding taking a spill I don't enjoy the ride.
So depends on road conditions, traffic, temperature and scenery.
However once I get close to 70 mph with the upright riding position the wind buffeting makes me not want to stay at that speed or above for more than 10-15 minutes.

Ditto, I never even get to 70 any more (except in age), I could get on I66 where 70 is legal, it's plenty close to me, but don't enjoy that wind. 55-60 plenty for me, and less on the unmarked roads. I just like to hear the Norton run.

Dave
 
DogT said:
rx7171 said:
Pretty much not so fast that I have to focus so much on avoiding taking a spill I don't enjoy the ride.
So depends on road conditions, traffic, temperature and scenery.
However once I get close to 70 mph with the upright riding position the wind buffeting makes me not want to stay at that speed or above for more than 10-15 minutes.

Ditto, I never even get to 70 any more (except in age), I could get on I66 where 70 is legal, it's plenty close to me, but don't enjoy that wind. 55-60 plenty for me, and less on the unmarked roads. I just like to hear the Norton run.

Dave
+1 Dave

I just had my 1st summer season on a Norton in at least 25 years. I was working lots of 6 and 7 day weeks but when I got an opening I was riding. I found all the back roads and just hearing the bike was the big thrill. On the freeway there were always a few little pisspot cars willing to go faster than me with no regard for how close they came when changing lanes etc. I couldn't believe how big a hurry everyone seemed to be in. I'd just drop it down a cog and look for the 1st secondary hiway to turn off onto. I can't say I didn't wind it out a few times but for the most part it was just putting along. I think I'm also a little more noise conscientious too, there's so much noise pollution these days I had to feel for the folks living off on those country roads I loved cruising on and would find myself easing off the throttle if I saw folks out in their yards trying to enjoy country living. There's more to it than locking onto the blacktop and analyzing up coming corners. Smelling the air, feeling the warm sunshine and looking around at all the scenery was all part of the experience. Can't wait till spring!
 
I'm so glad to see that everyone enjoys riding differently.

Take your time then power through a corner. Great fun.
 
By Far most the time I try to go both slow and fast in that order, ie: not going much if any above spd limit but not slowing down much or any for turns, but try to make every turn a G' force 'fast' delight by a slight lean to hug inside line but not sharp enough to actaully complete the turn, but this loads down suspension and takes slack out or the system - then hold till pretty close to far edge then fling over sharp as i can with some power added for wonderful sense of sticking w/o iso wobble/weave onset and exit lined up for longest open til the next slight tip in before fling over up and out. I like to always be going slow enough on entry I can add good gob of power from first tip in on into open - then slow up relaxing the straight so not police bait or brake limited to dice the next turn or hazard. Try it may like it as blends sense of slow and safe with fast and furious.
 
Fast and furious guy R.I.P. ... Slowerer bestest option ,here in Canada we have Husky dogs to pull along.
 
I just don't get this safety lecturing all the time, if you are cycler you are either a conscious decided admitted risk taker or in ignorant bliss with same risks non the less. Face it we all like the speed and power of our cycles, some more often than others of course. I have two dimensions of speed ratings one by motivation level ie: legal, spirited, race and chase, as in police cars in hot pursuit. The other scale is based on performance of a particular cycle, tour and fast, by their power response vs air drag. I don't really notice or bothered by blast till 120 bolt upright, so that's when I tuck in and knee grip, only times I've been air+ bounce lifted off seat was at 120 threshold surprises that twern't gonna surprise me no more on that joy ride. I have so so many close calls into and over blinds I rarely blast into any unknowns, so if I'm in a speeding mode I still tend to practice strong/squealing braking routinely down to sane reserves then roar back up into opens. There's a number of rural hyw's that remind me of top of ski lifts with pretty straight shot into the valley so takes extra effort not to whiz bang down em. Then close by is 'Race Track Road' bluff faces on one side - drop off the other with and w/o railings, leads to Trigger Gap bridge. If you ever see the Gap name on a map definitely mark it to ride it. Once was THE Gravel when I first got no-name- pre-peel Combat that helped train me to ski a cycle and use up tires. Well paved for 8 yr now to earn its name for the banked sweeper chicanes marked 30-45 mph so can work up rather faster for G's that heat tires and your spirit too. This is where I finalized my complete disrespect and disgust for balloon tires and rigid cycles, after Peel rev'd her power out I recovered SV650 from what ever last animal take down and figured I could at least practice Peel's lines to stay fresh to absolutely freak out not to even be able to grip well enough to get set up just to enter turns let along pick up pace and power like Peel through them, YIKES!!! Hot race tires walking around wrong shaped patch let goes or front scrubbing w/o doing a thing till tank slapped silly and scary frame twitches trying to press just a bit faster than full stick stable, YUK! I gave up to become sedate moderate rider on SuVee and Trixie as explored them to know how close they always are to crashes by just a wee bit past nice smooth operation.

Btw I've some new photo's of skid marks with SuVee on side at the end again, happened about 30 sec after self talk congratulating self on how safe and sound and slow the tour went and just a mile from home draging both brakes not to go 30 mph in long down hill I like to take over 70 on any cycle, to see what I first thought was deer, ugh, then resolved to 3 dogs excited to chase something and didn't just rooster blast over em SPLAT. Can you even put yourself in my state of mind of kicking myself time and again for being too slow w/o enough energy to out race a crash. Crazy making hobby I may completely loose it over.
 
Chili said:
There is only one rule, ride to the conditions and your own ABILITY. Go as fast as you can, with the expectation of being able to ride again the next day.
Cheers Chili

I will add to this. Drive with the mindset that "YOU" are invisible to traffic. Anticipate that all traffic are Soccer Moms with cell phones in one hand and a cigarette and coffee in the other oblivious to the task at hand. :shock: Keep yourself out of the pack if at all possible and be a lone wolf on your patch of asphalt. It gives you better response time for obstacles and maneuverability when needed. Like the WW2 pilot’s…Situational awareness is vital to your survival.
Cheers,
Thomas
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BS we are too invisible as it is and only traffic close calls in towns/cities I EVER get is just going with the flow, so on purpose i act a bit aggressive to get noticed and get fear reactions to avoid the nut - but not so crazy I attract police attention or risk loss of decent reserves. There is never very good reserves on a cycle, in case you ain't noticed yet. Loud pipes do not save lives from modern cars with stereo and phones and good insulation/sealing. NO One is ever surprised by me over taking them nor should you just blending in. I tend to wiggle fork/light when i see a car pull up to enter road, but I'm also ready to brake like mad and often do anyway, both for the panic practice and just in case they think because I'm slowing they got time enough to pull out, often enough from loose surface so they only end up covering my lane w/o traction to get out the way as they intended. Nothing really safe about riding a cycle, just brave wits and pure luck of the conditions. If you are really truly safety oriented motorycles should be taboo - any other stance is pure BS. Being a bit brain injured helps me as can't stop the flash backs of dead friends and others we read about behaving perfect up to the death event that can take some days to years to finally do ya in too soon from a fun hobby.

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hobot said:
If you are really truly safety oriented motorycles should be taboo...

Not forgetting we still live in a world where in any road or weather conditions,day or night anyone experienced or not can move into the oncoming lane to pass avehicle in front of them based on their own discretion.
Hard also to believe but there are countries out there that allow you start out on any motorcycle you want,you don't even need to wear a helmet. :lol:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/255573/nort ... ety-trial/
 
hobot said:
BS we are too invisible as it is
Geez Steve, that's the point. Riding with a mindset, an assumption, and the awareness that people won't see us is what helps us live to ride tomorrow.

Yes, we should try to be seen and stick ourseve out so they do see us. Be loud if it helps. Search for eye contact. I you dont have it, you ain't seen.

Be aware of others rearview mirrors, making sure that if they look into them they will see you.
This can go on and on.

The point is, our safety and the ability to be seen is our responsibility, not theirs.
Whenever you point a finger, there are three pointing back at you.
 
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