EV drawbacks

grandpaul said:
Yet they cost EVERYONE money that is in short supply, whilst MOST EV owners are generally well-off and easily able to afford to pay their own way. SICKENING. Same as paying filthy rich politicians absurd retirement packages after ONE TERM in which they handily enrich themselves with insider trading information and kickbacks.
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Absolutely. They are currently only for the middle class and above.

Subsidised by all.
 
KiwiShane said:
Norway will profit from climate change/power alternatives and profit from fossil fuel...
My point is countries like Norway etc that have oil rich reserves can afford to invest in alternatives and profit from both.
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It seems to me the countries without oil reserves should be investing in alternative energy sources to avoid being dependent on other countries, inconstant supply and ever changing pricing. Energy generated at home, nuclear, hydro, wind or solar, will be better in the long run than being dependent on imports forever.
 
It never fails to impress me how quickly I reach for the ignore button after reading a few posts from our resident Kiwishane.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Absolutely. They are currently only for the middle class and above.

Subsidised by all.
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My ex-pat Pom mate died of cancer about 2 years ago. He once told me he was a Communist. The British seem to have much stronger social consciences. In Australia, Robodebt looks like being a game-changer. It was done against a background of extreme wealth.
 
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rweb said:
It seems to me the countries without oil reserves should be investing in alternative energy sources to avoid being dependent on other countries, inconstant supply and ever changing pricing. Energy generated at home, nuclear, hydro, wind or solar, will be better in the long run than being dependent on imports forever.
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It all comes down to money and the results of quantitative easing.(printing money)
Costs. The most significant and well-known obstacle to renewable energy adoption right now is cost, in particular, the costs associated with building and installing facilities like solar or wind farms. ...and right now we have this global issue
Globally, total private- and public-sector debt as a share of GDP rose from 200% in 1999 to 350% in 2021. The ratio is now 420% across advanced economies, and 330% in China. In the United States, it is 420%, which is higher than during the Great Depression and after World War II...
The great re- think is apon us.
 
Tornado said:
Recently reported that our public transit system is needing a cash infusion due to declines in ridership and also due to decline in fuel tax revenues that go towards transit, because of increases in EV use.
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More likely, three years after the Great Plague of '19, a huge portion of people still in their pajamas watching cartoons rather than working
 
To a earlier point
January 2023
Last September, Italians in Rome, Milan and Naples burned their energy bills in a coordinated protest against soaring prices. In October, thousands took to French streets to decry government inaction over the high cost of living. And in November, Spanish workers rallied for higher wages, chanting “salary or conflict.”

Researchers have defined an unprecedented global wave of more than 12,500 protests across 148 countries over food, fuel and cost of living increases in 2022. And the largest were in Western Europe.

Prices of food and especially energy were pushed up first by the COVID-19 pandemic and then by the war in Ukraine. And, while food and energy shortages have hit the Global South hardest, the crisis of affordability is sending increasing numbers of people onto the streets in the richer countries of the Northern Hemisphere.

“There have never been so many cost-of-living — mainly energy — protests around the world documented in a single year before,” said Naomi Hossain, a specialist in the politics of development at Washington-based American University, and lead researcher of a report on last year's unrest.

“Historically, food was the real flashpoint,” Hossain told a reporter ”Now energy is the big thing.”

While energy prices have eased in Europe recently due to more favorable weather governments are not off the hook, said Jeffrey Hallock, Hossain’s co-author. Aside from shared motivations, what links the protests across the globe is “anti-incumbentism,” he said, describing a sentiment of hostility toward the government of the day.

Food inflation has not budged and prices will remain high for some time, boding ill for food security, social tensions and government budgets, the World Bank warned in its latest Food Security Update on Tuesday. Soaring prices for energy and food could meanwhile persist for the next two years, forecast the Global Risks Report prepared ahead of this week's World Economic Forum in Davos.

Although protests have escalated into large-scale national crises in several countries, only Sri Lanka’s government has been forced out as a result — so far. History suggests it is too soon to tell which p.......l crises recent rocketing prices may have set in motion.....to be contuied
 

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KiwiShane said:
To a earlier point
January 2023
Last September, Italians in Rome, Milan and Naples burned their energy bills in a coordinated protest against soaring prices. In October, thousands took to French streets to decry government inaction over the high cost of living. And in November, Spanish workers rallied for higher wages, chanting “salary or conflict.”

Researchers have defined an unprecedented global wave of more than 12,500 protests across 148 countries over food, fuel and cost of living increases in 2022. And the largest were in Western Europe.

Prices of food and especially energy were pushed up first by the COVID-19 pandemic and then by the war in Ukraine. And, while food and energy shortages have hit the Global South hardest, the crisis of affordability is sending increasing numbers of people onto the streets in the richer countries of the Northern Hemisphere.

“There have never been so many cost-of-living — mainly energy — protests around the world documented in a single year before,” said Naomi Hossain, a specialist in the politics of development at Washington-based American University, and lead researcher of a report on last year's unrest.

“Historically, food was the real flashpoint,” Hossain told a reporter ”Now energy is the big thing.”

While energy prices have eased in Europe recently due to more favorable weather governments are not off the hook, said Jeffrey Hallock, Hossain’s co-author. Aside from shared motivations, what links the protests across the globe is “anti-incumbentism,” he said, describing a sentiment of hostility toward the government of the day.

Food inflation has not budged and prices will remain high for some time, boding ill for food security, social tensions and government budgets, the World Bank warned in its latest Food Security Update on Tuesday. Soaring prices for energy and food could meanwhile persist for the next two years, forecast the Global Risks Report prepared ahead of this week's World Economic Forum in Davos.

Although protests have escalated into large-scale national crises in several countries, only Sri Lanka’s government has been forced out as a result — so far. History suggests it is too soon to tell which p.......l crises recent rocketing prices may have set in motion.....to be contuied
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Hi Shane,

Your post above is interesting, and further to our recent conversation that included civil unrest. But you do have me a little puzzled. With respect, you appear to be conflating the causes of these well publicised protests.

Are you saying (as you correctly record above):

a. There are ongoing protests in many countries, mainly related to their populations dissatisfaction with how governments are handling ever rising food, fuel and other cost of living pressures. As is widely understood, these difficulties are the result of Covid pandemic disruptions and the war in Ukraine (amongst other significant natural, logistical, financial and economic factors).

or (as you record in earlier posts)

b. “…… all the protests past/present over the last few years against the WEF. ….. there is going to be a uprising in Europe and the UK of people in the coming months...People have had enough already of these World Economic Forum Davos dictators ..”

You posted both, so I guess that you are referring to the same protests? Are people generally protesting against their governments or the WEF?
 
I'll admit I have not read through all 90 posts, but a significant issue appears to be an obstacle (at least in Australia)
Regardless of how "good" :rolleyes: 🤣 electric vehicles may be...
Our power grid is already super-stressed now, to the point of multiple black-outs at peak times. Nothing appears to be happening to improve grid capacity for when "everyone" is charging their EV.
Stupidity in a bottle!
 
The current focus is on EV driving range, the current thinking is solve that and the consumer confidence will start to grow again and away we go to 100% EV. But if you take all the Kwh equivalent in Diesel/Petrol and transpose it to the grid then the current grid will last 2 mins before failing. Then add in all the extra Kwh for the new heat pumps to replace gas boilers and you can see Net Zero is a complete fantasy. The only questions are how long before the penny drops and the method of penny delivery. revolution or a new political party.
 
kommando said:
The current focus is on EV driving range, the current thinking is solve that and the consumer confidence will start to grow again and away we go to 100% EV. But if you take all the Kwh equivalent in Diesel/Petrol and transpose it to the grid then the current grid will last 2 mins before failing. Then add in all the extra Kwh for the new heat pumps to replace gas boilers and you can see Net Zero is a complete fantasy. The only questions are how long before the penny drops and the method of penny delivery. revolution or a new political party.
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I'm sick of being part of this stupid pointless experiment tbh
It's never going to work how they are planning it
 
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Can't deny it's pretty, but pretty expensive too for a tiddler...

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EstuaryBoy said:
Perusing the 'Classic' section of ebay motors as I always do, and this appeared :)
Can't deny it's pretty, but pretty expensive too for a tiddler...

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Expensive and flash looking - under 7 hp though? Really?
112 miles range - would not get you to the next charging station here.
An electric skateboard might be a better option
...or @ashman 's solution: Feb 20, 2023
 
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I dont believe this has any significance to the initial conflict...I just bet there are many off shore investors that would want to escalate things to protect their financial prospects....and to hell with the civilian population​

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robs ss said:
112 miles range - would not get you to the next charging station here.
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112 miles about town so at 30mph, 75 miles at full speed. Battery is fixed unlike most other commuter bikes where you can take the battery indoors and charge inside.
 
kommando said:
112 miles about town so at 30mph, 75 miles at full speed. Battery is fixed unlike most other commuter bikes where you can take the battery indoors and charge inside.
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And don’t forget two important factors:

1) If you intend to get home without a charge en route, you can actually only go 37.5 miles from home in theory.

2) That’s planning to actually run out as you arrive home, which is not realistic or sensible (or, I think, even legal) so you are going to have to limit your rides to 30 miles from home or less.

I mention the legal aspect as I thought recently that we are absolutely definitely going to start seeing more flat battery stranded EVs in future.

When they run flat on motorways, and traffic junctions, etc I’m pretty sure the police are going to start saying that is ‘driving without due care and attention’ as it’s the drivers responsibility to check their charge and range before setting off.
 
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