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Methane is a natural substance.

It is as natural as granite or water or (you get the idea).

It is produced by living things, dead things, it comes out of Mother Earth.

Always has. Always will.

So when they say it is ‘80 times more harmful than CO2 emissions‘ what I actually read was that CO2 emissions are 80 less harmful than a perfectly natural, and pretty much unavoidable, part of our environment….
 
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texasSlick said:
No Stephan, the UN did not blow up Nordstrom, but the study you cite is sponsored by, and promoted by, the US govt. (Who did). It is absolutely balderdash, and meant to gaslight the public. Methane, like other polar gasses, including CO2, and H2O, DO NOT TRAP HEAT in the atmosphere. That is pure unscientific BS, and I would not give any study making that absurd claim any
credibility.

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Your take on methane and the environment seems to be contrary to all of the science in this area Slick - where are you getting your information? Happy to read an alternate view. FE, you have just posted the same opinion - can you guys point me to alternate source evidence/review.

Not sure we’re in a position to say definitively who bombed the Nordstrom yet are we? Nothing that I can find, although the US is directly in the mix, as are the Brits, Russia, Ukraine or a multi national effort. Will we ever know?
 
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Your take on methane and the environment seems to be contrary to all of the science in this area Slick - where are you getting your information? Happy to read an alternate view. FE, you have just posted the same opinion - can you guys point me to alternate source evidence/review.

Not sure we’re in a position to say definitively who bombed the Nordstrom yet are we? Nothing that I can find, although the US is directly in the mix, as are the Brits, Russia, Ukraine or a multi national effort. Will we ever know?
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You want me to point you in the direction of the science that says methane is a naturally occurring substance …?!

Cos that’s all I said.
 
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You want me to point you in the direction of the science that says methane is a naturally occurring substance …?!
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If you really want to FE.

Or, where the conversation was heading - whether the methane emitted by livestock has an impact on warming - does it trap heat in the atmosphere or not? Happy to read an alternate view - from somewhere other than this forum.

So when they say it is ‘80 times more harmful than CO2 emissions‘ what I actually read was that CO2 emissions are 80 less harmful than a perfectly natural, and pretty much unavoidable, part of our environment….
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If you really want to FE.

Or, where the conversation was heading - whether the methane emitted by livestock has an impact on warming - does it trap heat in the atmosphere or not? Happy to read an alternate view - from somewhere other than this forum.
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I’m honestly not sure if you’re twisting things on purpose or just don’t read very well?

I made one point, and one point only; that methane is natural.

The 80 times less harmful than CO2 comment is simply the same as your 80 more harmful headline, just looked at with a different perspective.

There is no science to source for either of those points Stephen. You provided the 80 times argument… not me. And I’m not about to dig up science that says that methane is natural. Just as I assume you do not want to dig up science that says it’s not !?


This conversation reminds me of something else…

For years I’ve argued that the biggest failing in the school system is the fact that they simply do not adequately teach critical thinking.

To my mind, that’s what drives human progress, in all fields.

But as someone pointed out to me once (and it wasn’t Shane, but was someone who had similar views), they said: governments do NOT want the masses to be critical thinkers. Critical thinkers challenge the governments ‘party line’ and authority.

They want citizens who believe everything they say, and challenge nothing they say.

I‘d say you’re a model citizen Stephen.
 
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With respect FE, you have a propensity to take immediate umbrage when none is required - often without reading what has actually been said; or interpreting it as you please, as I’ve experienced on multiple occasion. So how about taking a step back.

You will note that my response was to a comment by Slick, not you and was completely in context - not twisted - please read it again. I added you because of your last paragraph which appeared to support Slicks position - it still does.

My request for a source was a genuine one because I literally cannot find a contrary argument to the thinking on Methane.

As for critical thinking, I am more than happy with my ability to look critically at issues - been doing it all of my life - unavoidable in my game. That is in stark contrast to much of the serious content on this site where participants often display overwhelming confirmation bias - resulting from an inability for critical thinking.

The difficulty here appears to be that anybody displaying the slightest leaning towards mainstream thinking is somehow compromised, brainwashed, incapable of independent thought. The enemy.

Or just maybe ……………. MAYBE, some subjects are mainstream for a reason.
 
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With respect FE, you have a propensity to take immediate umbrage when none is required - often without reading what has actually been said; or interpreting it as you please, as I’ve experienced on multiple occasion. So how about taking a step back.

You will note that my response was to a comment by Slick, not you and was completely in context - not twisted - please read it again. I added you because of your last paragraph which appeared to support Slicks position - it still does.

My request for a source was a genuine one because I literally cannot find a contrary argument to the thinking on Methane.

As for critical thinking, I am more than happy with my ability to look critically at issues - been doing it all of my life - unavoidable in my game. That is in stark contrast to much of the serious content on this site where participants often display overwhelming confirmation bias - resulting from an inability for critical thinking.

The difficulty here appears to be that anybody displaying the slightest leaning towards mainstream thinking is somehow compromised, brainwashed, incapable of independent thought. The enemy.

Or just maybe ……………. MAYBE, some subjects are mainstream for a reason.
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You clearly referred to both Slick and I, in the same sentence, and said ‘you both’.

Seems to me that often (I won’t say always) when you accuse me of not reading your points and of interpreting as I please, it is actually because I DID read, and am responding, to what you ACTUALLY said / wrote.
 
Fast Eddie said:
You clearly referred to both Slick and I, in the same sentence, and said ‘you both’.

Seems to me that often (I won’t say always) when you accuse me of not reading your points and of interpreting as I please, it is actually because I DID read, and am responding, to what you ACTUALLY said / wrote.
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Let’s not bother mate - I completely reject what you are saying and it’s there to read. You’ve read it and doubled down - taking what has been said out of context to prove some sort of misguided point. We were talking about methane before you made it about you and I; we are now no longer talking about the subject.

I’m out, because when even the most reasoned of the (very) few reasonable people on this site adopts that approach, it really is’nt worth it. You guys should just go back to agreeing with each other👍.
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
Let’s not bother mate - I completely reject what you are saying and it’s there to read. You’ve read it and doubled down - taking what has been said out of context to prove some sort of misguided point. We were talking about methane before you made it about you and I; we are now no longer talking about the subject.

I’m out, because when even the most reasoned of the (very) few reasonable people on this site adopts that approach, it really is’nt worth it. You guys should just go back to agreeing with each other👍.
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Good call.
 
I am out too! I am not going to compress 5 years of post graduate training in physics, molecular gas dynamics, and advanced thermodynamics to refute the absurd claim that methane ( or anything else, TRAPS heat in the atmosphere, or anywhere else; if it had such a property, it would be the world's best insulation. Think of the Dewar's flask that could be made by not putting a vacuum between the walls, but rather filling the space with methane!

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Nothing natural about 1B + cows on this planet.
Burps not farts.
Nord Stream, not Nordstrom. Lol.
 
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I wonder what constant rapid charging does to the lifespan of an EV battery?

I don't have any clue, just wondering. Because I'll bet MANY people are forced to do rapid charging due to typical time constraints during a drive.

There is ALWAYS a price to pay for convenience, and sometimes there are "hidden charges" as well as the premium paid...
 
Every day a different story!!! Love the: 'Paltry Charging Infrastructure' quote, a bit at odds with Zapmap's (see last post) waffle of charging facilities outnumbering petrol stations.
BTW the 'Zapmap' article was sent to me by British Gas (!!), not sure why, along with another article suggesting that heat pumps in the UK will cost an average 10% more to run than gas boilers.
So good news all round :)

 
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Nothing natural about 1B + cows on this planet.
Burps not farts.
Nord Stream, not Nordstrom. Lol.
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What happened to your recent and profound proclamation that clearly stated "count me out"?

But now a brief reappearance from beneath the trusses on a similar subject offering more snarky observations as to which end of a cow methane is emitted, some petty spelling corrections and your authoritative oversights on planetary cattle population.

Could it be the real methane source your partisan insight claims to be fouling the atmosphere isn't from cow farts at all. Maybe that source could be the critics themselves!
People gotta' eat, all 8B of them.

The entire "cowgas" issue is yet another extension of the Green save the planet money making operation (generating billions) based on conjecture and "knee jerk" emotion designed to keep the public reeling while at the same time generating billions of dollars to fund "it"...and those that manage it.
All tax free and taxpayer subsidized in the US and world wide.

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Lineslinger said:
What happened to your recent and profound proclamation that clearly stated "count me out"?

But now a brief reappearance from beneath the trusses on a similar subject offering a more snarky observations as to which end of a cow methane is emitted, some petty spelling corrections and your authoritative oversights on planetary cattle population.

Could it be the real methane source your partisan insight claims to be fouling the atmosphere isn't from cow farts at all. Maybe that source could be the critics themselves!
People gotta' eat, all 8B of them.

The entire "cowgas" issue is yet another extension of the Green save the planet money making operation (generating billions) based on conjecture and "knee jerk" emotion designed to keep the public reeling while at the same time generating billions of dollars to fund "it"...and those that manage it.
All tax free and taxpayer subsidized in the US and world wide.
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Lol.
 
Following the cows, the eco-lobby began to get closer to rice, which is allegedly "responsible" for 10% of the world's methane emissions.🙃
 

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