European type approval

Hi guys,
A mate and I are rebuilding a '73 850 mk1 Roadster and a '73 750 Mk5 Roadster. Titled frames have been imported from the US (thanks, Greg M.).
For registration of ground up rebuilds, we are in need of type approval codes for these models, either EC/EU or UK type approvals. Anyone in the know?

I am also looking for type approval of the 75 850 Mk3 Roadster.

As always, help is much appreciated.

Thanks, Knut

mdt-son said:

Hi guys,
A mate and I are rebuilding a '73 850 mk1 Roadster and a '73 750 Mk5 Roadster. Titled frames have been imported from the US (thanks, Greg M.).
For registration of ground up rebuilds, we are in need of type approval codes for these models, either EC/EU or UK type approvals. Anyone in the know?

I am also looking for type approval of the 75 850 Mk3 Roadster.

As always, help is much appreciated.

Thanks, Knut

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Hi Knut, I don’t think type approval existed in the 70’s. It became mandatory for new vehicles sold in the EU in the late 90’s, but would it be retrospectively applied?

Cliffa, Oh yes, they existed all right. I have backtraced UK regulations till 1958. UK being a major motor vehicle producing nation in the 50's and 60's, national and international type approval regulations had to be in place.

Cited from statutory instrument 1967 No. 1317: "....“the International Agreement of 1958” means the Agreement concerning the adoption of uniform conditions of approval and reciprocal recognition of approval for motor vehicle equipment and parts concluded at Geneva on 20th March 1958(c) to which the United Kingdom is party(d)."

Some of the references found:

Statutory Instrument 1974 No. 763 and 64 (see link) references national regulations, "The motor vehicle (type approval) regulations 1973", amended for certain EC/EU requirements.

UK regulations, Statutory Instrument 1973 No. 1199 : The Motor Vehicles (Type Approval) Regulations 1973
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UK regulations, Statutory Instrument 1970 No. 777 : The Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1970

UK regulations, Statutory Instrument 1970 No. 233: The Road Vehicles Lighting (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1970

UK regulations, Statutory Instrument 1970 No. 49: The Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) Regulations 1970

UK regulations, Statutory Instrument 1970 No. 48: The Road Vehicles Lighting (Amendment) Regulations 1970

UK regulations, Statutory Instrument 1967 No. 1317: The Motor Vehicles (Designation of Approval Marks) Regulations 1967

UK regulations, Statutory Instrument 1969 No. 962: The Motor Vehicles (Designation of Approval Marks, and other regulations) (No. 2) Regulations 1969

Section 47(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1962 specifies markings to be applied to motor vehicle parts of any description to indicate conformity with type approved by any country.

- Knut

They may have existed but was it applied and if it was what was it applied to.

EU type approval did not become mandatory until 1996, so in the UK there was no need for type approval for vehicle registration until 1996 and was non retrospective. Type approval pre 1996 was only needed for countries that required it, so as an exporting country Type Approval for UK vehicles were issued but not needed inside the UK.

This is probably an example of 'enabling' legislation, it sets out what type approval is and then allows it to be worked on by the Govt agency, ie set a budget and spend it. That it took from the 70's to 96 to become fully introduced just confirms where money gets wasted inside Govt's.

So your question should be what if any type approval was needed in Norway in 1974, if not then state not applicable.

The MK3 Cert plate for Germany (where you would expect one of the first Type Approvals) has no Approval references.



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kommando said:

This is probably an example of 'enabling' legislation, it sets out what type approval is and then allows it to be worked on by the Govt agency, ie set a budget and spend it. That it took from the 70's to 96 to become fully introduced just confirms where money gets wasted inside Govt's.

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Not quite. If you look into the documents I linked to, you will find specific requirements for motor vehicles to have a brake light, a rear light, lighting of the number plate, E1/E2 markings at reflectors, radio interference suppression. Otherwise, legal requirements seemed to be lash in the early days.
MOT tests became compulsory February 15th, 1961, with a seven year inspection interval, subsequently reduced to 3 years in 1967.

kommando said:

So your question should be what if any type approval was needed in Norway in 1974, if not then state not applicable.

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Yes, a type approval was conducted. I am researching what kind of information our "MOT" requested from the factory or the importer.

- Knut

Are you confusing the wording perhaps?

Isn't Type Approval the name for a specific thing? If so then Type Approval codes also sound like a specific thing, and a thing that did not exist back then.

I can’t see how MOT info will help you as that is a standard used to test vehicle of at least 3 years old, as such it’s designed primarily to check basic functions and check for degradation, its not a specification for new vehicles.

IIRC the standard used in the U.K. at that time for new vehicle specifications was called ‘construction and use’ regulations.

Perhaps researching ‘construction and use‘ might yield what you need, I don’t think searching for something that didn’t exist (like type approval) will help.

I have‘t read this, but it might be a vein you can mine…

MOT is nothing to do with Type Approval, its an inspection to a set of roadworthy tests which change as time goes on.

Type Approval is for both parts and complete vehicles ie E marking and preparation was required prior to 1996 as per Euro 4 and 5 etc, but that does not change the fact that 1996 was the introduction date and was not retrospective.

Stop encouraging the autocrats it only makes it more difficult for people following on. In the UK the DVLA also like to apply new laws retrospectively with no justification. We have


to keep them right and point out these issues.

is there a way round this requirement in Denmark? what do others do in this situation?

jan nelder said:

is there a way round this requirement in Denmark? what do others do in this situation?

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No idea but in the UK as long as for first registration application you can provide a Dating Certificate that confirms manufacture prior to 1996 then no type approval is required and the section for type approval can be left blank.

The DVLA police this by having an approved list of clubs and original manufacturers who can provide these dating certificates. A dating certificate from an organisation not on the approved list is worthless.

Best to contact a Danish Vintage Club to see if they have a similar procedure.

I seem to remember that when I registered my Atlas and 740 Roadster I just put N/A in those sections.