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Discussion in 'Norton Commando Motorcycles (Classic)' started by storm42, May 26, 2018.

  1. SteveA

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    I would not bother getting a CRMC Eligibility certificate for Chimay or Gedinne. I did Gedinne last year and they didn't ask for one. You can do both on one event race and parade licences at 85€ they do have parade sessions as well as races.

    Depends exactly which master cylinder it is, others have used the adjustable lever type, for me they are just too expensive, and you will adjust it to one end anyway!.

    The floating discs would definitely be an issue for CRMC. There has been a guy with a 920 Commando fitted with one at a couple of CRMC meetings in recent years, nobody protested, but if he had been competitive I probably would have mentioned it. With the amount we spend to have an eligible period style non-floating brake it is just a bit cheaky to fit modern parts and expect others to be OK with that.

    There was an English guy running at Gedinne on a Seeley Norton last year with floating discs, yes a pair. But he ran as post classic, which as a 920 he was forced to do as the classics are up to 750 in Belgium.

    I would like to do Gedinne again, it is a brilliant track, but it is the week before Ledenon in the French VMA Championship, maybe next year. I have a French National licence this year and will do up to 4 rounds of the VMA, I ran at one in May but retired. They have just been down to Spain but we had visitors!, so we will be out again at Carole in mid June where I am hoping for better luck.
     
  2. SteveA

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    With the dynabeads, I would expect you had some moisture in there! That will screw them.
     
  3. storm42

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    Nope dry as a bone when I took them out. quite a few of us tried them on the advise of another member on the ZRXOC, it turned out he was a director of the company. Anyway we all stopped using them.
     
  4. SteveA

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    Well maybe I have been lucky then, may be a difference that mine are inside tubes, your ZXRs may be tubeless wheels. I came across them on off road Land Rovers, where a lot of balance weight is often needed and not much else stays put!
     
  5. storm42

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    Could be, a few of us did wonder if the ribs on the inside of the tire was stopping the beads from finding their natural balance position. I found them ok whilst riding normally but extremely variable when playing. I believe Leon Haslam tried them on his BSB bike, or he had the stickers on the bike at least. :)

    I seem to remember a bright green gloop that was sold as a puncture preventer working as a liquid balancer back in the day.

    Ha, how much did you have to put in the Land Rover tires?
     
  6. SteveA

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    It is a big handfull! Of course it varies with tyre size. Worst job for me was when we jacked my wifes Jeep Wrangler, I hadn't put the beads in at tyre fitting and had to feed them through the schrader valves! Then you have you to be absolutely sure there is no moisture around! :(
     
  7. storm42

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    I had missed this post, don't really know why i wanted to get it registered with the CRMC as I am not bothered about short circuits, options I suppose.

    I picked up an adjustable master second hand, CP 4547 I cannot find any reference to it on the AP website though. I have lost a disc and the weight saving is considerable, 3.7 kg or 8.17 pounds.

    I always thought the Norvil disc was a floater but as you have pointed out that as a 920, the bike would be in a class where the disks would be ok, at least in Belgium.

    I like the look of Ledenon, I had never heard of it but might have to pay a visit.

    Do you do any meetings in the UK.
     
  8. storm42

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    Down to a single disc and the weight saving is 3.7kg (over 8lb)

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  9. SteveA

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    Change of plan, not doing Ledenon, going to Gedinne instead.....less travel cost....Diesel just went up twice in France....and I really enjoyed Gedinne last year.

    Yes the Norvil disc is a floater, and a Norvil disc is eligble as a period part for pre '73, they float on 'splines' and with the cast disc and all the other parts they are quite heavy.

    Modern lightweight floaters retained by buttons, like yours, are not eligible.

    Last UK meeting I did was Brands last year, from which I currently have 5 trophies, a laurel wreath and a Brands winners' hat.....basically just for finishing a couple of races!

    I am waiting to get my state pension next April so money for racing is tight, but unless Dover is gridlocked I do plan to do a couple of UK meetings next year!

    BTW, due to costs of registering events with the FIM, French VMA racing is open to French licence holders only! Not a trivial undertaking as you have to do a 'CASM' aptitude test (in French only of course) get a French medical done, be a member of a French club homologated race club (Club Triton in my case) and then the licence is 275€ per annum.

    I don't know what other events take place at Ledenon, Chris Turner, who won there last year says...'it's one for the brave!'. In fact he won the VMA classic series outright (up to 1000cc) on a 500 Honda.
     
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  10. storm42

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    I may turn up at Gedinne, I believe a couple of my mates are going so I might tag along. Sounds like you get on with Brands:)

    If I get away with just the one disc, a single Norvil disc might be not be too heavy compared to two smaller non floaters and callipers.

    The aptitude test in French counts me out, you may have noticed I struggle with English.
     
  11. SteveA

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    Gedinne entries are open now, friend of mine who runs classic bike track days paraded last year and thoroughly enjoyed it. http://crmb.be/?page_id=409&lang=en

    I have done similar aptitude tests in English and French, the difference is of course I speak English as a first language and didn't need any help with the ACU test, you sit through your lecture,I did mine at ACU house, then you answer the questions. Session was road race only. All new riders and returnees do it.

    The attitude seems to be.....it's up to you...we don't really care if you pass or fail. If you fail, you come back and do it all again

    In French, which I only speak very badly, you can get a set of notes and could read up before you go, and I did some on line training aimed at officials rather than riders.

    You go to a regional centre (in my case held at a kart track) and sign up and they go straight to the test, which includes questions on all disciplines from Enduro to road race, even if you only plan doing the one form of racing.

    Around the room dads were helping sons and daughters with the test, and I after I had done my best, I confirmed a couple of questions I wasn't sure about with a nice young girl waiting in the cue to get the test marked....plenty of help.....I had talked myself out of the practical riding test because I have a road licence equivalent to 'Permis A'. Having a hand full of UK race licences meant nothing at all.

    The French regions who do the testing on behalf of the central federation want riders to pass, most doing the tests are kids starting out in bike sports and they want the entries.
     
  12. storm42

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    The wife is now making noises about going to Cornwall in August :( we will see about that :)

    I did have an ACU race licence some time ago, I applied for a Drag race licence and road race was on the licence when it arrived, no aptitude test in those days. I understand there was a bad accident at a track involving a new rider not stopping after the warmup lap and they ran into the slowing riders.

    I get the need for some kind of aptitude test but would question the validity of it when the organisers are happy for the kids to get help from their parents, smacks of a money making exercise rather than a safety one.
     
  13. SteveA

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    Conversation for beertime! You can go to Cornwall anytime! Or book our Gite in Normandy for the week after....complete with peaceful garden and Hot tub...

    https://www.facebook.com/levallet2017/

    The conversation would also cover the reality of 'EU' regs and standardisation. Centralised directives implemented in very different ways at the grass roots!

    I don't think money was made, they had several local officals working on this and there will be a rake off for the FFM to produce materials and issue actual certificates (credit card size). Track costs had to be covered as well. So 50€ per head won't have gone that far to settling FFM debt.

    The young uns were also out on track being monitored and given slalom and braking tests etc. I think most of them went home potentially safer novice racers. I liked the attitude of the people I met, they came across primarily as motorcycle enthusiasts! It did knacker me though, nervous exhaustion, so I behaved like a true pensioner and went home and had a kip in the chair! :rolleyes:
     
  14. storm42

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    Ah, beer and politics, what could possibly go wrong. :)

    I like the look of the Gite, I will broach the subject with our lass later.
     
  15. Bernhard

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    Q, is Mallory Park still going?
     
  16. SteveA

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  17. storm42

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    Yep, I will be there with the Seeley on the 6,7 and 8th July for the Festival of a thousand bikes.
     

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