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One of the issues with E85 is the blend is all over the place depending on where/when you fill up.
Always a chance there will be water in the mix also.[/QUOTE
It doesn’t matter what the blend is!
It’s still higher octane then the gasoline.
My car makes more hp on E85,80,75,70 or E50 when compared to 93 octane or 100 octane race gas.
The ecu automatically adjust the timing by reading the o2 sensors.
It’s not rocket science.

All I wanna know is if the ecu can read the o2 and adjust for timing as it does in my car which is also non Factory E85
I can give two shits if the government owns the corn fields, if the blend is E85 or E50 or about plastic tanks!
All I’m asking is how the Ecu On our bikes adjust for the octane.
Example.
My cars min fuel requirements are 91 octane.
Anything above 91 the computer adds timing. It does this automatically. On a bone stock engine it’ll keep adding timing until it detects spark know and then retard timing. It also does this with E85 fuel.
I didn’t have to change anything on my car to run e85. All I had to do was open up the window in the tuning. That’s it.
My car has a plastic tank as does all new cars that run E85. I’m aware that some rubber or plastic is effected by E85.
I’m not asking about that.

All I wanna know is the ecu tuning.
If all I have to do is change fuel lines and maybe injectors to add more hp. Dammit I’ll do it. It’s easy.
 

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if you are going to play around with E85 why not just play with %100 methanol. another issue i have seen with the racers running methanol is it shits up the oil very quickly but i don't know about E85 as i am not a fan of corn in my tank.
I currently run 100 octane unleaded race fuel in my bikes.
To many of you are stuck on rumors.
 

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it might be a proven benefit to HP and so is nitromethane but IMHO without government subsides it is not a viable large scale fuel source. as i stated it takes more energy to produce than you get out of it. i sure would NOT want to use E85 in something that was not designed to run it long term and more so if it was not a daily driver to help mitigate the corrosion of water carried in it.
The injectors in my car are stock oem. They are stainless steel. As are many modern injectors.

I’m gonna ask everyone this
What the fuck does the government subsidizes have to do with running fuel in my bike to make more god damn hp.
Jesus Christ I wish I never posted this.

You people are so far off track I don’t get it.
All I wanted to know is if anyone knows of the ecu tuning. All I hear is a bunch of cry babie wanna be farmers bitching about government and corn.
I live in a rural area. I have plenty of e85 available. If I can make this work so be it!
It’s a plus!
More power
Cooler temps
Cleaner for the engine
Cleaner for the environment
Cheaper to fill up.
When I decide to store the bike I’ll run it near empty and add 93 back to the system.
I run e85 in my F150 along with 93 and it’s factory flex fuel. All you do is put what ever unleaded or E what ever in it and go. It’s that easy.
 
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So tell me this, you NEVER modified a engine before? Woopie do
Swapping injectors and fuel lines for increased hp, cleaner chambers, and cooler running temps is a benefit.
I have the aluminum tanks.
Voodoo,

As someone else pointed out, you started a great thread that resulted in some very "impassioned" responses. You are to be commended for searching out ways to achieve more power, more efficiently! With some modifications, as you mentioned, motorcycles could probably run on E85. It is just that, right now, no motorcycles have been manufactured that can run on E85. It is not a "poor fuel", it just reacts poorly with "plastic" fuel tanks and rubber fuel lines.
 
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i have no idea if the stock injectors are capable of the delivery rate for E85 or if the ECM can be tuned to use it either but IMHO if it was not designed to use it i would steer clear of if it till you know more about the injectors rate and ECM info. as far as the government part if it was not for our tax dollars subsidizing the ethanol industry you would be SOL and stuck with methanol at a much higher price.

PS i do get what you are saying as to the benefits.

The injectors in my car are stock oem. They are stainless steel. As are many modern injectors.

I’m gonna ask everyone this
What the fuck does the government subsidizes have to do with running fuel in my bike to make more god damn hp.
Jesus Christ I wish I never posted this.

You people are so far off track I don’t get it.
All I wanted to know is if anyone knows of the ecu tuning. All I hear is a bunch of cry babie wanna be farmers bitching about government and corn.
I live in a rural area. I have plenty of e85 available. If I can make this work so be it!
It’s a plus!
More power
Cooler temps
Cleaner for the engine
Cleaner for the environment
Cheaper to fill up.
When I decide to store the bike I’ll run it near empty and add 93 back to the system.
I run e85 in my F150 along with 93 and it’s factory flex fuel. All you do is put what ever unleaded or E what ever in it and go. It’s that easy.
 

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Voodoo,

As someone else pointed out, you started a great thread that resulted in some very "impassioned" responses. You are to be commended for searching out ways to achieve more power, more efficiently! With some modifications, as you mentioned, motorcycles could probably run on E85. It is just that, right now, no motorcycles have been manufactured that can run on E85. It is not a "poor fuel", it just reacts poorly with "plastic" fuel tanks and rubber fuel lines.
Thanks and I agree on the plastic.
But as I stated, we have options.
 

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I know this isn’t a Norton but it’s the same as what I’m running in my car. Except now I’m running long tube headers and making more hp.


Fantastic video!

Those gains would make someone pleased who’d just spent a chunk of cash on some tuning goodies.

To get those gains just by changing the fuel is very interesting.
 
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Voodoo keep posting your ideas . You are ahead of the curve on this for sure. I see the E85 pumps around here too. It is a great idea you have , and if we had the ability to tune for E85 a slam dunk performance upgrade ! The ability to switch back and forth when you want to is a big plus.
 
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Who fucking cares!! Jesus people.
You all act like modern gasoline is flawless and not government ran.

I’m talking about the benefits of E85 for power and engine. It’s a proven fact.
All you naysayers are blind and have no knowledge to what e85 offers.
I'm not blind to the subject. I started my reply by stating I'm veering off subject and didn't dispute you at all. You're correct. E85 has a lower flashpoint and is a more volatile fuel creating a higher combustion. To get back on subject.
 

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it is also wise to NOT get fuel while or shortly after a tanker has delivered fuel as you have no idea what is stirred up in the tank.
So true!
I filled up my car just as the tanker was leaving the petrol station, a few miles down the road the car started misfiring, surging forward etc and I narrowly avoided a serious crash. Had the car towed to the dealer as it was only 5 months old and when I went to collect I was shown a container of the contents of my fuel tank - about 60% water!
Needless to say, petrol supplier paid for work on car - and informed me that it was a frequent occurrence.....
John
 

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I will never put fuel containing ethanol in any of my engines if I have a choice.
Ethanol, unlike petrol ("gas" for our US friends), absorbs moisture - so can cause corrosion of engine parts (injector components for example)
Why would you voluntarily put a fuel contains water in your tank?
So, world peace and starvation of the masses aside, I think it's a no-brainer to avoid it - if you can.
I run the highest octane readily available here - 98%
Cheers
Rob
 

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I will never put fuel containing ethanol in any of my engines if I have a choice.
Ethanol, unlike petrol ("gas" for our US friends), absorbs moisture - so can cause corrosion of engine parts (injector components for example)
Why would you voluntarily put a fuel contains water in your tank?
So, world peace and starvation of the masses aside, I think it's a no-brainer to avoid it - if you can.
I run the highest octane readily available here - 98%
Cheers
Rob
Again you’re being blinded by what you don’t know.
So, gasoline doesn’t go bad? You’re telling me it stays good forever? Never causes system issues?
Are the injectors on our bike stainless or steel? Do you know?
Do you know the benefits of e85 over gasoline?
Stop making this into a world peace and hunger issue. I’m sick of hearing it already. You naysayers are Debbie downers.
What if I proven it provided to be the better fuel?
Let’s say it was approved by a motorcycle manufacturer or proven to be safe?
Then what?

I’m not asking if one should drink the shit.
 
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Again you’re being blinded by what you don’t know.
So, gasoline doesn’t go bad? You’re telling me it stays good forever? Never causes system issues?
Are the injectors on our bike stainless or steel? Do you know?
Do you know the benefits of e85 over gasoline?
Stop making this into a world peace and hunger issue. I’m sick of hearing it already. You naysayers are Debbie downers.
What if I proven it provided to be the better fuel?
Let’s say it was approved by a motorcycle manufacturer or proven to be safe?
Then what?

I’m not asking if one should drink the shit.
hoo-boy! Slow down a bit there - Is this thread just an excuse to get all your anger out?
It appears you're always right - wish I had that skill.
Seems like that to me - I'm out...
 

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hoo-boy! Slow down a bit there - Is this thread just an excuse to get all your anger out?
It appears you're always right - wish I had that skill.
Seems like that to me - I'm out...
The deal is this.
All this has becone is a bitch fest from many people that mention, farmers, government, world hunger.
You yourself and a few others provided nothing but complaints on why it can’t or won’t work. It’s lame.
Am I right?
I didn’t claim to be right.
I even provided some information showing it’s possible and that it even works.
If you read the thread from the beginning you’ll see it’s a question. Instead it’s turned into everything else.
All you said was you’ll never do it, how bad you think it is blah blah.
Fine don’t do it. That’s ok. I’m not asking you to do it.
I asked if it was ever done. Obviously the answer is no.
 
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