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I was going to book a test ride on a new 961 sport but just before that happened I took a look at the new price list, £16,999 for a plain painted one or another £750 for a bit of pinstriping , now they are really putting the boot in. In line with that I will be keeping the old girl and a test ride is completely out of the question, by the time a test bike would be available they could have banged another grand on the price. They have just priced me out of the market for a new 961 and I'm sure a lot of other potential customers as well . BAD BAD move TVS I'm not paying for all your fancy equipment. 🔧 :mad:
 
Hi ya Pee Bee,
Talking of options , are there many to choose from ? , or accessories , the bikes do seem to be lacking a touch of carbon fibre & polished parts
 
Hi ya Pee Bee,
Talking of options , are there many to choose from ? , or accessories , the bikes do seem to be lacking a touch of carbon fibre & polished parts
I talked to a Norton dealer yesterday in person and there are at least these options: carbon fibre bits, polished side cases, black engine, pinstriping, all at significant extra cost.
Also, there are no sensors on the lower downpipes now.
There IS now the silver paint option: there was one newly arrived in the showroom.

He also said that an expensive MV that was about £34k last year is now more like 44k.
 
I was going to book a test ride on a new 961 sport but just before that happened I took a look at the new price list, £16,999 for a plain painted one or another £750 for a bit of pinstriping , now they are really putting the boot in. In line with that I will be keeping the old girl and a test ride is completely out of the question, by the time a test bike would be available they could have banged another grand on the price. They have just priced me out of the market for a new 961 and I'm sure a lot of other potential customers as well . BAD BAD move TVS I'm not paying for all your fancy equipment. 🔧 :mad:
Out of interest, what would you be prepared to pay ?

I wonder what our little collective thinks is a ‘reasonable’ price ?

Some context: the Triumph Thruxton TFC was £17500, £5100 more than the Thruxton R, so the Triumph marketing bods clearly worked out that folk will pay for exclusivity.

961s are fairly exclusive, so what’s a reasonable price …?

I have no dog in the fight BTW… I’m just curious…
 


  • PAINT FINISHES​


  • CORVID ENGINE​


  • MIRROR POLISHING​


  • EMBROIDERED SEAT COVER​


  • PREMIUM PACK​

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    As standard the Commando 961 comes with a carbon fibre front mudguard but with this pack, we really push the boat out adding a carbon fibre fly screen, rear hugger, chainguard and number plate holder.
 
I talked to a Norton dealer yesterday in person and there are at least these options: carbon fibre bits, polished side cases, black engine, pinstriping, all at significant extra cost.
Also, there are no sensors on the lower downpipes now.
There IS now the silver paint option: there was one newly arrived in the showroom.

He also said that an expensive MV that was about £34k last year is now more like 44k.
In March I part exchanged my much loved 2013 961 with 11500 miles for a new MV Superveloce at £16999.00. With 148 hp and at 173kg it is in my opinion a superbly made, quality bike that looks stunning……and is very quick. It is harder work than my Sport but it is great fun. I do hope Norton get the price point right for the new SP.
 
Somewhere, someplace, someone is saying I told you so..... Ill keep the last one I have. It originally came with all the upgrades!
 
The cost of things is intrinsically linked to their value, hence the term ‘value for money’.

So, here’s another awkward question for y ‘all…

Is the 961 actually too expensive (for an exclusive / luxury brand)?

Or is the bike simply not good enough (to justify the cost)?

There are PLENTY of far more expensive bikes that are selling very well…
 
The cost of things is intrinsically linked to their value, hence the term ‘value for money’.

So, here’s another awkward question for y ‘all…

Is the 961 actually too expensive (for an exclusive / luxury brand)?

Or is the bike simply not good enough (to justify the cost)?

There are PLENTY of far more expensive bikes that are selling very well…
Sound thinking.
I believe the 961 IS somewhere between too expensive, and not good enough to justify the price.
Since Norton/TVS are not likely to change the former, they will have to change the latter.
Have they done this with the NEW 961?
We need feedback from owners!:mad:
 
Come on guys… don’t be shy…

What would be a fair / reasonable price…?

Or, is the current RRP fair? Are they actually that much more expensive than the Donington bikes were at the end ?
Hi , Just my experience here. In December 2014 I paid $18,000 USD plus taxes and fees . So at today's exchange rate 18k usd is 14.5k pounds , a price increase now . So with crazy inflation and investment cost added the price is higher. I strongly expected the prices to be higher , not sure how much but now we know. If the new TVS 961 owners are getting a trouble free , reliable ,well built with quality parts motorcycle the price is worth it in my view . How many of us have spent much money getting our bikes reliable , now the TVS bikes will be good to go from the start (we hope).
Those of us who already have a 961 may feel the pain of the price increase more for obvious reasons me included. The reputation of the SG 961 has been trashed by our past. TVS is our only way forward , it could be a lot worse than this.
 
Hi , Just my experience here. In December 2014 I paid $18,000 USD plus taxes and fees . So at today's exchange rate 18k usd is 14.5k pounds , a price increase now . So with crazy inflation and investment cost added the price is higher. I strongly expected the prices to be higher , not sure how much but now we know. If the new TVS 961 owners are getting a trouble free , reliable ,well built with quality parts motorcycle the price is worth it in my view . How many of us have spent much money getting our bikes reliable , now the TVS bikes will be good to go from the start (we hope).
Those of us who already have a 961 may feel the pain of the price increase more for obvious reasons me included. The reputation of the SG 961 has been trashed by our past. TVS is our only way forward , it could be a lot worse than this.
Good point Tony.

I think I paid £16.5k in 2018 and that was for the Anniversary special that had something like £4k of extras fitted as part of the package. So even 5 years ago it was possible to spend over £20k on a 961.

I guess the other point is that you existing 961 owners should be happy the TVS bikes are expensive, it can only help your residuals.
 
Well, next month, the TVS financial report will be out so we can see what they have spent, etc, and get an overview of where it's going.
 
As a value proposition, for me, it still stacks up. I paid ticket price back in 2017 and would do so again in 2023, especially as technical issues seem resolved. The cost of new motorcycles has increased across the board if this vid is accurate. Have Norton put prices up because of lower than expected sales, or because the cost of production (et al) has increased?



Maybe cost could also be measured against the natural opposition - and for me that doesn’t really exist. If one of the principle reasons to buy/ride this air-cooled, push rod parallel twin is for the visceral, authentic experience it provides then the purchaser may not get that from a water cooled modern machine dressed as authentic. Also compare component quality and the choice to pay a premium rests with the buyer.

Not disparaging the natural competition, Triumph, at all (I am delighted with their meteoric success) but they are now ubiquitous and the exclusivity factor the buyer of the Norton will feel may not be there with some other marques - is this worth a premium?

Triumph/ Ducati etc are also masters of the accessory. The Norton‘s aesthetic is pretty spot on, for most, out of the box. The Triumph/ Ducati owner will likely access from the mountain of accesories available to get the aesthetics/ performance they want - how might this affect the price comparison?

I guess it’s also worth looking at whether the Norton will more likely be a keeper, as opposed to just the owners latest bike. Updating bikes on a regular basis makes the premium price of a potential keeper pale into insignificance.

As a performance proposition for many, it will not meet the asking price. But for an enthusiast, who wants a British bike and to buy into this famous marque, outright performance may matter less than exclusivity and authenticity when looking at the RRP.

My thoughts only.

Steve.

PS. I’d have a Thruxton TFC in my garage in a heartbeat, but for the fact that my wife would likely chop my balls off with a rusty spoon!:oops:
 
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As a performance proposition for many, it will not meet the asking price. But for an enthusiast, who wants a British bike and to buy into this famous marque, outright performance may matter less than exclusivity and authenticity when looking at the RRP.

My thoughts only.

Steve.

PS. I’d have a Thruxton TFC in my garage in a heartbeat, but for the fact that my wife would likely chop my balls off with a rusty spoon!:oops:

On the nose.
These folks want a Norton, because it's a Norton, and nothing else.
May not make sense to some, but there you have it.

PS. Get a padlock for the cutlery cabinet.
 
The most successful, modern classic, with the biggest sales, and most accessories both factory and aftermarket is by far, Harley.

They are over priced for what you get
performance wise, and yet, millions of people keep buying them. They’re air cooled, push rod, v twin, can be modified to making over 200 Hp.

Even their cheesy skull and flame clothing makes them money. Why hasn’t TVS offered clothing and accessories?
 
The most successful, modern classic, with the biggest sales, and most accessories both factory and aftermarket is by far, Harley.

They are over priced for what you get
performance wise, and yet, millions of people keep buying them. They’re air cooled, push rod, v twin, can be modified to making over 200 Hp.

Even their cheesy skull and flame clothing makes them money. Why hasn’t TVS offered clothing and accessories?
I was in their outlet store in th Bike Shed London. They have clothing merchandise. The salesman said that one of their jackets was suitable for riding in town. It was lightweight with no protection/armour etc. It was just a Saville Row designed very expensive jacket. I do like quality products and I am quite prepared to pay, but I would go as far as to say the clothing was grossly overpriced.
 

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I was in their outlet store in th Bike Shed London. They have clothing merchandise. The salesman said that one of their jackets was suitable for riding in town. It was lightweight with no protection/armour etc. It was just a Saville Row designed very expensive jacket. I do like quality products and I am quite prepared to pay, but I would go as far as to say the clothing was grossly overpriced.
They have a clothing range, but only available where ???

Get them marketed and available on line FFS…!
 
Article from Sunday Times business section on Sunday 21st May 2023.

TVS Norton is to unveil the new Norton V4CR at the Bike Shed show this coming weekend.

I will be at the Bike Shed show getting a few tattoos, piercings, head shaved, beard oiled
with the hipster bikers looking at the motorcycles that are art rather than motorcycles.

Strange TVS has chosen the Bike Shed Show to unveil the V4CR ?

Bike Shed Show is highly recommended as a fun day out.

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Article from Sunday Times business section on Sunday 21st May 2023.

TVS Norton is to unveil the new Norton V4CR at the Bike Shed show this coming weekend.

I will be at the Bike Shed show getting a few tattoos, piercings, head shaved, beard oiled
with the hipster bikers looking at the motorcycles that are art rather than motorcycles.

Strange TVS has chosen the Bike Shed Show to unveil the V4CR ?

Bike Shed Show is highly recommended as a fun day out.

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Stuart Bodycote has a bike on display at this years show so I will be visiting
 
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