custom plunger framed wtf?!

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just looking at some parts & wondering about value of, as well as opinions on a custom frame,

dunno much about plungers, understand they came & went quickly prior to swingarms coming about and at the time, plungers had issues,

didn't even know you could get a plunger set up these days ..at all, so, did they ever overcome the plunger issues of the originals & come up with something that works? how much is this frame worth to sell?

main parts i saw in the ad are motor, primary covers with internals, rear wheel & other bits...
custom plunger framed wtf?!

custom plunger framed wtf?!

custom plunger framed wtf?!

custom plunger framed wtf?!

custom plunger framed wtf?!
 
I collected bits for a garden gate Norton for many years, however I couldn't find a frame which had not been broken and repaired. The garden gate Manx looks really great, however they are usually heavy and poor handling. The featherbed long stroker was far superior. Francis Beart had some success with the garden gate manx in it's era. As an historic conversation piece, one would look great in the lounge room.
 
This gem is on aussie ebay at the moment.

custom plunger framed wtf?!

along with its original donk.
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwN1gxMDIw/ ... A/$_57.JPG
How could you not love that !

Frames were made from a box of lugs and a bundle of tubes.
Once its been repaired, how is any different from how Nortons made it...

Note that the rear plungers have been reinforced in that race bike above - fixing a common stressed part of plunger construction...

The images from the original poster seem to be locked, we don't have access to them without a password ?
 
ran across this plunger info
http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/unsafe ... ch-matters

Another dumb idea was the rediscovery of the plunger-style frame in the late '60s. The plunger frame was a detour on the road between the rigid frame of the pre-WWII era and the twin shock swingarm frame that replaced it. In the plunger design, there is no pivoting rear fork. Instead, spring boxes are positioned in stirrups welded to the rear frame loop. The rear axle is carried in an eyelet mounted in the middle of the spring box. This arrangement allows the rear wheel to move a limited distance in each direction, which provides some rear suspension. The manufacturers liked the plunger design because it could be readily-read that as cheaply-adapted to existing stocks of rigid frames.

The problem was that the plunger was a flawed design right from the start. First, the basic design destroyed what had been the rigid frame's strong point, namely freedom from flex. Second, it allowed the rear wheel to twist sideways as it rose and fell. And third, because the rear wheel traveled in a straight line rather than in an arc, as it does with a swinging arm, the chain tension varied greatly at the limits of its travel. After a few short years the OEM manufacturers discarded the plunger idea in favor of the far superior swingarm. Why some customizers thought the plunger idea was worth re-exploring a few decades later has always mystified me.

stumbled on ths too
http://www.britcycle.com/products/544/5445517.htm

looks like you can still get brand new
http://www.britcycle.com/products/customframe.htm

https://www.google.ca/search?q=plunger+ ... 8QfZh4CwDA
 
I own several older Nortons with plunger rear suspensions.
And while it was a good idea at the time (compared to a rigid rear end),
I sure wouldn't want a modern bike with plunger suspension either.

As I like to tell folks, my old dommie with plungers weighs 440 lbs,
which is about 40 lbs more than a Commando - and half the horsepower. !

BTW, BMW came up with the idea first, blame them ?
 
They were pretty much a thirties design, better than a rigid frame. It's the sort of bike Harold Daniell had a lot of success on. It would be nice to own a very genuine one as a Sunday bike, if you didn't intend to ride it more than 10 miles each time you took it out. A fella in the next town to ours has a very nice garden gate manx, I saw it at a race meeting once, he has a lot of other bikes and he usually rides one of those. They would have to be the best looking race bike ever made.
Have you seen this bike ? :

custom plunger framed wtf?!
 
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