Commando Top Speed? (2010)

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ALRIGHTY, this Goldwing is one of the few videos that has been worth my study on how [I too] do tight series of turns. Seen it on off for years now.
Also why I don't talk bad about some bagger Harleys either if lean clearance enough. The bad ass Harley dudes, often with ClubColors can drift the boogers too! They also often ride almost that fast side by side in twisties!!!

DO NOTE, this Goldwing is mostly hard Increasing Throttle going right up to apexes not on the brakes, he's only braking when on coming traffic seen, but speeds up into turns to relieve the ole front tire and relax the straights don't ya know.
 
Yeah, that kind of riding sure is fun but it sure scares me anymore on the street. Got to watch a good buddy go after he hit a few pebbles in the road. He wiggled and it moved him over a few feet right into the front of a station wagon. It changed my whole idea of street riding. Jim
 
Thanks bill for posting US421, what a hoot flinging one after another at thrilling pace not scary. Prefect place to test each aspect of bike and rider creeping up on each one to master it and keep it fun. For some reason I too reflexy stick my knee out on the moderns when I snatch a turn on them but not my Norton, which I stay steady state centered in seat. Those 270' light bulb turns sure do feel good when nothing in the way to get ya but your self.
 
There are similar turns in Ozarks if shorter sections like that snakey US421 I'm still tingling at. Its the type of place that I'd find the fouling clearance then the rear skip out then the front skip out then both tires into *short* saving cross up. Then I'd know what limits to avoid or to jump across on purpose. A huge part of riding is knowing not to follow your desires to hang em harder in public. Yet that's what I love to do on Peel, as so stable can just lean and power more to put hi G's through seat w/o any upsets like tire let goes or chassis unstable. But surface traction varies and Peel will slide wider too w/o traction so anal pucker factor keeps me tame as the video show 99.9%. i'm trying to mature to reserve the .1% for special places and track days, if big critter don't wipe out first. i have to slow up enough for turns to be able to power through them, I sure don't rush toward apex on brakes. I don't like feeling of bike getting ahead of me, so all braking going fast is done pure inline up right for most effect in least amount of time. Too help keep me alive I tend not to run to max in straights, mostly set pace so don't have to slow down much or at all for turns like US421. Personally I don't think it will take much top speed to stay ahead of moderns by what ground they lose slowing for corners on tracks where top speed is ~150.
 
Excess Power for bee line sprints is one thing, being able to take much of that power through turns is whole 'nother accomplishment. This electro wiz is perfect example of my own frustration-motivation, simply being out gunned in the wide open runways after leaving em in my dust in any turn over 35-ish degrees. I'm pleased to see the electric getting such speed and range though.
If Peel is to eat up electrics like other bait fish I sure hope I've been conservative on data put in engine calculators. Still is horse power that gives top speeds and I don't know if Peel will ever have enough of that for long fast tracks or highways.

Un fair contest pitting almost 200hp/300 ft lb power against SV650 and Ducati 840's. The lessor powered gas bikes left the electic bike in their dust in turns and even out sprinted electric until they ran out of hp power and the excess hp of the electric could keep the pull going longer so out sped em towards end of a straight. Very educational to listen to the electric whine decrease to recharging drag going into turns up to apex before he can get on it almost as hard as the gas rigs. I would of thought the squashed rear tire would of planted
him for faster turns, so something else must be limiting power use there besides plain traction.

To me this illustrates Ms Peel vs the world, hp only has to do with how long the pull keeps going up to some speed, not how fast to get to a top speed or being able to use much power until coming out of turns. Torque on rear tire rules the roost in turns but only horse power and air flow matter on topping out.
 
Gday Seeley920, thanks for the post and link to Gus Kuhn, a good read and I cant believe I've missed that site!! Some good facts and figures to absorb.
Also a BIG congrats on last years racing effort,you kept them triples and Weslakes honest and to be presented a trophy by the likes of Allan Cathcart, you've got to be pretty stoked!
regards Foxy
 
Foxy said:
Gday Seeley920, thanks for the post and link to Gus Kuhn, a good read and I cant believe I've missed that site!! Some good facts and figures to absorb.
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Indeed, Good link, thanks.

As mentioned before though, that "Press Release" is a little deceptive. ?
It wasn't a Gus Kuhn bike that set that 142 mph record, it was a factory built Norton Villiers effort, by John Baker and Dave Rawlins to be precise.

And although Gus Kuhn offered a performance kit using an SS Cam, the factory bike used what was to becone the 4S cam. And from previously supplied scans on here, the Kuhn bike could "only" do ~130 mph.

P.S. If a standard (tuned) naked Commando could do 142 mph, what could it do geared up with a full fairing ? Which is where this thread started, really...

HTH.
 
comnoz said:
Are you ready for a superbike that sounds like an electric drill. Jim
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Interesting, Thanks.

Hey, with all that electrical power on tap, it could have a small amplifier onboard - to make all the right noises.

It could SOUND LIKE it was doing 160 mph - and still be at the legal limit.
Wonder if we can patent that idea. ??
The Killjoys would soon legislate it away...
 
Rohan said:
comnoz said:
Are you ready for a superbike that sounds like an electric drill. Jim
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Interesting, Thanks.

Hey, with all that electrical power on tap, it could have a small amplifier onboard - to make all the right noises.

It could SOUND LIKE it was doing 160 mph - and still be at the legal limit.
Wonder if we can patent that idea. ??
The Killjoys would soon legislate it away...
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I am afraid it has already been patented. Pretty cool though. Jim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8eOTGhTpDY
 
AW man, I've lost some sleep to figure out a PA system that plays Dixie like the General Lee or 110 db Puma screams with dog pack in between for animal path clearing. Once engine noise is gone all sorts of sound effects to fool the blind and distracted.

Commando Top Speed? (2010)



With enough wattage you can install a holographic projector and appear as a Mac truck or Boeing 727 going down in the chicanes to clear traffic.
 
Rohan said:
Foxy said:
Gday Seeley920, thanks for the post and link to Gus Kuhn, a good read and I cant believe I've missed that site!! Some good facts and figures to absorb.
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Indeed, Good link, thanks.

As mentioned before though, that "Press Release" is a little deceptive. ?
It wasn't a Gus Kuhn bike that set that 142 mph record, it was a factory built Norton Villiers effort, by John Baker and Dave Rawlins to be precise.

And although Gus Kuhn offered a performance kit using an SS Cam, the factory bike used what was to becone the 4S cam. And from previously supplied scans on here, the Kuhn bike could "only" do ~130 mph.

P.S. If a standard (tuned) naked Commando could do 142 mph, what could it do geared up with a full fairing ? Which is where this thread started, really...

HTH.
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Agreed, Kuhn's did say tghat it was a Commando, but didn't claim that it was one of theirs!!

As a matter of interest, a friend of mine Emmet Nolan (Dave H would remember him) took his featherbed commando racer to Elvington in the early 80s and was clocked at just over 150mph!!! I had almost forgotten about that til Elvington came up!
 
Foxy said:
Gday Seeley920, thanks for the post and link to Gus Kuhn, a good read and I cant believe I've missed that site!! Some good facts and figures to absorb.
Also a BIG congrats on last years racing effort,you kept them triples and Weslakes honest and to be presented a trophy by the likes of Allan Cathcart, you've got to be pretty stoked!
regards Foxy
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Thanks Foxy....now I've got to do it all over again......some day I will built that bigger motor, as the poor little 750 has it's skinny wheels ridden off it ;-)
 
HIghdesert posted this tid bit in another post but fits here too.
the-1972-daytona-works-commandos-t8445.html


From the book: Norton, The Racing Story

"At Daytona (1972), both Williams and Read exceeded 150mph in qualifying, with Read the quickest at 155.17mph. However, that was still slower than the best of the works BSA and Triumph triples. Even so, in the race itself good handling and engine torque came more into their own. This resulted in Phil Read leading the race at one stage, before finally having to settle for fourth and a prize of $2200 US dollars. The Norton rider was in fact the first of the four strokes behind a trio of Yamaha TZ 350 two strokes."
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