Commando suspension setup

Brooking 850 · Dec 17, 2011

Easy Matt, I was thinking of putting those streamers on mine for kahawai lures!!!!
Regards Mike

GRM 450 · Dec 18, 2011

What's a kahawai ?

Carbonfibre · Dec 18, 2011

Rohan said:
john robert bould said:

Looks like old CF as all the trump cards again :lol:

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Suspension setup in MX bikes is like hairdressing styles - changes every week.
Wonder what next weeks flavor will be ?

And somehow I can't see too many folks fitting $2000 sets of Ti fork springs into their Commandos. But I could be wrong, there are lots of [ Deleted before LAB got to it ].

P.S. This was flavor-of-the-month some years back, more for road use though.
Springless, air does all the work.
Picked it up for a song...

Maybe you should offer all the works MX teams the benefit of your expertise on suspension? Come to that the MotoGp people are also using linear Ti springs, so you can probably help them out at the same time!

Carbonfibre · Dec 18, 2011

Matt Spencer said:
BUT all the silly M-X belcrank linkages were described as RISEING RATE .

Progressive rate springs will give a less jarring ride , if properly selected.
Like my Triton . 8)

If I were you blokes , Id forget all about it , and go Hi Tech , with HANDLEBAR STREAMERS , instead . :shock: :roll:

Most linkage systems are rising rate, and the actual rate can easily be changed through either an adjustable link or substituting a different part. In real terms progressive springs (most of which are cosmetic only) are far more like handlebar streamers, with the only difference being they cost quite a bit more money.

Matt Spencer · Dec 18, 2011

BUT handlebar steamers Get Everyones Attention !

http://www.saltflyer.com/kahawai.html

Caught 27 once from keeler with a blue/silver sprat like lure .
Couldnt givem away in those days . They all wanted scnapper .

Fullauto · Dec 18, 2011

My handlebar streamers handle better than yours. AND they're longer.

If only I could get some progressively wound handlebar streamers. The ultimate.

Carbonfibre · Dec 18, 2011

Fullauto said:
My handlebar streamers handle better than yours. AND they're longer.

If only I could get some progressively wound handlebar streamers. The ultimate.

Get hold of an HD chopper with anchor chain chassis to go with the streamers and you really would have arrived..............

Rohan · Dec 18, 2011

Carbonfibre said:
Maybe you should offer all the works MX teams the benefit of your expertise on suspension? Come to that the MotoGp people are also using linear Ti springs, so you can probably help them out at the same time!

Is there an echo in this forum ??

Cheesy · Dec 18, 2011

GRM 450 said:
What's a kahawai ?

A fish, they put up a pretty impressive fight for their size, tricky to cook though if done right pretty tasty

Back to suspension.... there is an interesting take on mono vs twin shocks here
http://www.eurospares.com/frame5.htm

Rohan · Dec 18, 2011

Carbonfibre said:
Come to that the MotoGp people are also using linear Ti springs,

So are the F1 people. Who developed it ?

But Commandos ????

Carbonfibre · Dec 18, 2011

Rohan said:
Carbonfibre said:

Maybe you should offer all the works MX teams the benefit of your expertise on suspension? Come to that the MotoGp people are also using linear Ti springs, so you can probably help them out at the same time!

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Is there an echo in this forum ??

There is a suspension "expert" who seems to have come by his knowledge using google..................lol

Carbonfibre · Dec 18, 2011

Rohan said:
Carbonfibre said:

Come to that the MotoGp people are also using linear Ti springs,

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So are the F1 people. Who developed it ?

But Commandos ????

I seem to remember a post from someone suggesting progressive springs were all the rage on MX bikes? Could this person have perhaps been mistaken........................lol

Rohan · Dec 18, 2011

There is a shop just down the road here that can open shocks and completely redo them - even sealed units. Do a good job, had a (sealed) monoshock done 15 years ago and still going strong. Interesting stuff....

Rohan · Dec 18, 2011

Carbonfibre said:
I seem to remember a post from someone suggesting progressive springs were all the rage on MX bikes? Could this person have perhaps been mistaken........................lol

This spring is available now for your KTM.
Not an insignificant name.
One of just a large range.

Rohan · Dec 18, 2011

Carbonfibre said:
There is a suspension "expert" who seems to have come by his knowledge using google..................lol

What you can't google, and folks have been asking since it happened, is was the spring that hit Felipe Massa in the head a development Ti spring. And when did they get them to work.
F1 Teams seem to not like to give out that info....

Carbonfibre · Dec 18, 2011

Ti springs have been in use for a very long time, and are now fitted to several production machines. If there had been any possible issues related to safety, they would certainly never have been used in F1, MX, MotoGp, and even less likely on over the counter production bikes!

Carbonfibre · Dec 18, 2011

Carbonfibre said:
Ti springs have been in common use for a very long time, and are now fitted to several production machines. If there had been any possible issues related to safety, they would certainly never have been used in F1, MX, MotoGp, and even less likely on over the counter production bikes!

Ti springs obviously mean reduced weight, but they also provide higher levels of performance in extreme conditions encountered during serious competition, with the only downside being the high cost over steel springs.

Rohan · Dec 18, 2011

End google quote......

Carbonfibre · Dec 18, 2011

I certainly only have a very basic understanding of suspension, but what I do know comes from people who have been manufacturing top quality motorcycle suspension parts for many years, so no real need to google and then post the results on here!

Fullauto · Dec 18, 2011

Carbonfibre said:
Carbonfibre said:

Ti springs have been in common use for a very long time, and are now fitted to several production machines. If there had been any possible issues related to safety, they would certainly never have been used in F1, MX, MotoGp, and even less likely on over the counter production bikes!

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Ti springs obviously mean reduced weight, but they also provide higher levels of performance in extreme conditions encountered during serious competition, with the only downside being the high cost over steel springs.

But this is the crux of this whole thing. We all ride Nortons because of what they are, what they do, but more importantly, how they do it. Give me the feel of a Norton anyday over any modern race replica. When your titanium spring breaks or you want a different spring rate (progressive?), how much are they?