Broken down in Nova Scotia

With an ammeter, you would know what your rotor/stator was doing because it shows current flow direction and strength of flow. If the needle is on the negative side of the ammeter's zero, then charge is flowing out of the battery. If the needle is on the positive side of Zero, then current is flowing into the battery from the rotor/stator....

With a volt meter, you have to guess. That's why if you have a voltmeter installed on your bike, you keep an eye on it in the beginning, so you get an idea of what the meter looks like when everything is working properly. This way you notice the drop in voltage sooner as you ride, which gives you a chance to pull in somewhere by choice rather than be stuck in no man's land.

I always have my bike plugged into this tiny 2 amp battery tender. It's a really tiny unit. I also have one of those quick disconnect pigtails going to the battery terminals and exiting under my seat. If my battery was loosing charge, I could pull in somewhere and plug the charger in with no disassembly...
With a voltmeter, all you need to know is if there is more thsn around 12.2 volts, your battery is charging. More than 14.8 to 15, it is overcharging. That is very informative and it is what the charge warning leds do for you without an actual meter needed ...the led can go where the original assimilator warning light was in the headlight shell, so things remain stock in appearance.
 
With a voltmeter, all you need to know is if there is more thsn around 12.2 volts, your battery is charging. More than 14.8 to 15, it is overcharging. That is very informative and it is what the charge warning leds do for you without an actual meter needed ...the led can go where the original assimilator warning light was in the headlight shell, so things remain stock in appearance.
Right, but it takes a while to realize your rotor stator took a shit because the voltage doesn't show direction of current. You look at the voltage a guess that your rotor stator is working.....

One day I was riding and noticed my ammeter was in the negative and I was cruising at a fast enough rpm that it should have been charging. I spun around and headed for home and found my wires from the stator had dropped down into the final drive chain and were cut. I didn't have to ride another 30 miles to see a voltage drop. I saw it right away....
 
Right, but it takes a while to realize your rotor stator took a shit because the voltage doesn't show direction of current. You look at the voltage a guess that your rotor stator is working.....

One day I was riding and noticed my ammeter was in the negative and I was cruising at a fast enough rpm that it should have been charging. I spun around and headed for home and found my wires from the stator had dropped down into the final drive chain and were cut. I didn't have to ride another 30 miles to see a voltage drop. I saw it right away....
But an output failure from alt would give just battery voltage...ie just 12-12.5v at best. If lights on. That would be below 12. If you're above idle speeds the volts would be well over 12.5v...
So yes you would know quickly if alt output dropped out with just voltage monitoring.

I have a stock ammeter only on my 54 velocette. It flutters wildy btwn -4 to +4 amp or more if I have the halogen headlamp on at cruising rpms...this is with a modern PODtronic reg/rec so I imagine that is doing the rapid switching to short the alt output to manage battery charge rate. It does settle down after a while usually if I stay are a steady higher rpm above idle.
 
All the embarrassing typos (ground becoming groin etc.) were a symptom of the intense stress. I am happy to report that I am currently on the ferry with a cold beer in my hand :). The past 24 hours have been crazy though.

In a nutshell, when you last heard from me it was an hour or so before dark and I was panic-packing the bike and hitting the road to try to get at least a few miles done before the actual ferry crossing day despite the intermittent charging situation. I rode until the sun was setting and made it to a campground just outside Halifax. I pulled in and spoke to the guy running the place (no vacancy but he let me put up my tent just outside the gate and use the facilities for the regular camp fee, which was awesome). When I returned to the bike a minute or so later I immediately noticed a much larger than normal oil stain underneath her. I rolled down to the camping spot and had a look and realized, to my horror, that the primary drain plug was missing…. Someone called it in this thread saying more speed less haste. I had put the bolt in but must not have torqued it down enough. Anyway, I had apparently not lost too much oil prior to getting to the campground based on the amount that came out there, and since it continued to flow until I put a rock under the side stand to level her up.

Better start another reply at this stage in case there is a character limit.
 
All the embarrassing typos (ground becoming groin etc.) were a symptom of the intense stress. I am happy to report that I am currently on the ferry with a cold beer in my hand :). The past 24 hours have been crazy though.

In a nutshell, when you last heard from me it was an hour or so before dark and I was panic-packing the bike and hitting the road to try to get at least a few miles done before the actual ferry crossing day despite the intermittent charging situation. I rode until the sun was setting and made it to a campground just outside Halifax. I pulled in and spoke to the guy running the place (no vacancy but he let me put up my tent just outside the gate and use the facilities for the regular camp fee, which was awesome). When I returned to the bike a minute or so later I immediately noticed a much larger than normal oil stain underneath her. I rolled down to the camping spot and had a look and realized, to my horror, that the primary drain plug was missing…. Someone called it in this thread saying more speed less haste. I had put the bolt in but must not have torqued it down enough. Anyway, I had apparently not lost too much oil prior to getting to the campground based on the amount that came out there, and since it continued to flow until I put a rock under the side stand to level her up.

Better start another reply at this stage in case there is a character limit.
Called Mark at BCS, mainly for moral support at that point, but he gave me a couple of very useful ideas. He suggested a cork to keep oil in until I could get a bolt, and he gave me the bolt specs. I made a quick trip to a gas station two kilometers away, in the dark with no lights on to keep from killing my battery before having to ride hundreds of miles the next day. Made it over, got oil, topped up the primary, and looked for a cork. Tried using a wad of paper towel and waterproof tape to keep the oil in which wasn’t effective but maybe better than nothing. When I left the gas station to go to the camp site I got pulled over by the police…
 
All the embarrassing typos (ground becoming groin etc.) were a symptom of the intense stress. I am happy to report that I am currently on the ferry with a cold beer in my hand :). The past 24 hours have been crazy though.

In a nutshell, when you last heard from me it was an hour or so before dark and I was panic-packing the bike and hitting the road to try to get at least a few miles done before the actual ferry crossing day despite the intermittent charging situation. I rode until the sun was setting and made it to a campground just outside Halifax. I pulled in and spoke to the guy running the place (no vacancy but he let me put up my tent just outside the gate and use the facilities for the regular camp fee, which was awesome). When I returned to the bike a minute or so later I immediately noticed a much larger than normal oil stain underneath her. I rolled down to the camping spot and had a look and realized, to my horror, that the primary drain plug was missing…. Someone called it in this thread saying more speed less haste. I had put the bolt in but must not have torqued it down enough. Anyway, I had apparently not lost too much oil prior to getting to the campground based on the amount that came out there, and since it continued to flow until I put a rock under the side stand to level her up.

Better start another reply at this stage in case there is a character limit.
Presumably you meant the primary oil level plug, as there should not be a drain plug on a non mk3 bike. Thus you would have lost some by splash/waves out the level hole, and lost quite a lot when on kickstand leaned over.
 
Called Mark at BCS, mainly for moral support at that point, but he gave me a couple of very useful ideas. He suggested a cork to keep oil in until I could get a bolt, and he gave me the bolt specs. I made a quick trip to a gas station two kilometers away, in the dark with no lights on to keep from killing my battery before having to ride hundreds of miles the next day. Made it over, got oil, topped up the primary, and looked for a cork. Tried using a wad of paper towel and waterproof tape to keep the oil in which wasn’t effective but maybe better than nothing. When I left the gas station to go to the camp site I got pulled over by the police…
When the officer came up he said ‘you have no lights’. I said ‘yes, that’s true’ and I explained to him what was going on. The guy then escorted me back to my camp site with his high beams on behind me, which was great. I could see everything.

At that point I made plans to go to NAPA in the morning to find a bolt with the correct threads and to get a spare battery, and for the route I would try to take. I slammed a canned alcoholic beverage I had in one of my bags for strength and courage and went to bed.

Woke up just before first light. And I actually slept despite the fact that I had to cover hundreds of miles the following day to catch a ferry that is very difficult to book on a bike with a missing primary drain/level plug and an intermittently working charging system.
 
When the officer came up he said ‘you have no lights’. I said ‘yes, that’s true’ and I explained to him what was going on. The guy then escorted me back to my camp site with his high beams on behind me, which was great. I could see everything.

At that point I made plans to go to NAPA in the morning to find a bolt with the correct threads and to get a spare battery, and for the route I would try to take. I slammed a canned alcoholic beverage I had in one of my bags for strength and courage and went to bed.

Woke up just before first light. And I actually slept despite the fact that I had to cover hundreds of miles the following day to catch a ferry that is very difficult to book on a bike with a missing primary drain/level plug and an intermittently working charging system.
Made use of the campground shower etc, made coffee with the Whisperlite, took the tent down etc, packed bike, topped up the primary after trying to ply the hole with non-sugar chewing gum and waterproof tape, turned the ignition on, prayed, and kicked her over. She started. Rode to Lower Sackville where they have a NAPA and asked for the bolt I needed and a spare battery. They had neither. I felt like crying. But the guy at the counter suggested I check AutoZone, which was the next building over.

AutoZone had no fine threaded bolts in the store either, but they did have a battery. The guy at the counter loves British bikes and together we found a universal rubber type drain plug. I bought two, but they didn’t fit.
 
Made use of the campground shower etc, made coffee with the Whisperlite, took the tent down etc, packed bike, topped up the primary after trying to ply the hole with non-sugar chewing gum and waterproof tape, turned the ignition on, prayed, and kicked her over. She started. Rode to Lower Sackville where they have a NAPA and asked for the bolt I needed and a spare battery. They had neither. I felt like crying. But the guy at the counter suggested I check AutoZone, which was the next building over.

AutoZone had no fine threaded bolts in the store either, but they did have a battery. The guy at the counter loves British bikes and together we found a universal rubber type drain plug. I bought two, but they didn’t fit.
The fellow helping me told me to bring the bike up to the front of the shop so him and another fellow could have a look to try to figure something out. Did that, and they went into the back and found a box of the correct diameter and thread bolts. They were too long but a couple of nuts took up the extra slack and they found me a bag of copper crush washers to complete the package. We put that in and she is holding oil better than she ever has. And because this bolt sticks out so far I am able to look down and and take comfort in the fact that it is still there as I ride along. The guys at AutoZone were amazing. They also gave me good directions to get from there to north Sydney. And so, from there I jumped on the highway and rode like a madman all day and made it to the ferry without a minute to spare. And the bike rode like a dream the whole way. I checked the battery onboard the vessel and it was at 11.99 volts. I guess I just made it on the old battery. I still have the full spare one in my bag if I need it on the other side.

Thanks to everyone here on Access Norton for all of the help and advice throughout this ordeal. I am greatly indebted to a large number of people in Nova Scotia as well. This has been an extremely stressful ordeal, but I’ve got some new friends for life out of it. And the feeling when I made it to the ferry on time might have been worth all the anguish.
 
So 11.99 volts after riding all day,... Does that mean the rotor/stator is working or not?? :rolleyes: Tornado??? Did he run all day and only used a tiny amount of voltage? or did his rotor/stator work intermittently?

There's no question if it's working or not with an ammeter.... You don't guess, you see current direction and strength of flow

Keep on, Keepin' on Supercat. Everyone's rooting for you to make it home from your odyssey!
 
So 11.99 volts after riding all day,... Does that mean the rotor/stator is working or not?? :rolleyes: Tornado??? Did he run all day and only used a tiny amount of voltage? or did his rotor/stator work intermittently?

There's no question if it's working or not with an ammeter.... You don't guess, you see current direction and strength of flow

Keep on, Keepin' on Supercat. Everyone's rooting for you to make it home from your odyssey!
11.99 volts after a ride without and lights one...just the low draw of the ignition (is this EI? those draw a few hundred milliamps)... could mean poor charging (which could be caused by a number of different things, included sulphated battery, bad alt output, poor connections, grounding wires etc). Not sure what you're getting all worked up. Of course there would be more details like what was the voltage WHILE RIDING....which would further tell you if the alt was ramping up output with rpm....if not then yes, suspect the alt. Both an ammeter and a voltmeter give you information that can inform of a problem. They give different info, but both can help.
 
Nice size twig threaded in w/ Teflon tape. Seal you right up! Glad you made it back, have another drink while you're at it.
 
no pain, no gain cheers
Thanks to everyone here on Access Norton for all of the help and advice throughout this ordeal. I am greatly indebted to a large number of people in Nova Scotia as well. This has been an extremely stressful ordeal, but I’ve got some new friends for life out of it. And the feeling when I made it to the ferry on time might have been worth all the anguish.
 
The fellow helping me told me to bring the bike up to the front of the shop so him and another fellow could have a look to try to figure something out. Did that, and they went into the back and found a box of the correct diameter and thread bolts. They were too long but a couple of nuts took up the extra slack and they found me a bag of copper crush washers to complete the package. We put that in and she is holding oil better than she ever has. And because this bolt sticks out so far I am able to look down and and take comfort in the fact that it is still there as I ride along. The guys at AutoZone were amazing. They also gave me good directions to get from there to north Sydney. And so, from there I jumped on the highway and rode like a madman all day and made it to the ferry without a minute to spare. And the bike rode like a dream the whole way. I checked the battery onboard the vessel and it was at 11.99 volts. I guess I just made it on the old battery. I still have the full spare one in my bag if I need it on the other side.

Thanks to everyone here on Access Norton for all of the help and advice throughout this ordeal. I am greatly indebted to a large number of people in Nova Scotia as well. This has been an extremely stressful ordeal, but I’ve got some new friends for life out of it. And the feeling when I made it to the ferry on time might have been worth all the anguish.

Look on the bright side… when all the stress has eventually subsided… you had a trip to remember for life !
 
"Rode to Lower Sackville where they have a NAPA and asked for the bolt I needed and a spare battery. They had neither. I felt like crying. "


Well, it's a good thing nothing substantial went wrong, like someone being hurt badly.

Glad to read it's running, so you could ride it home.
There are always options.
 
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