Brake switches

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Hey all,

Yesterday I installed my rear light fixture for the first time since I had my bike (72 Roadster). It was the last thing that I needed to do to be able to pass inspection locally, but the installation resulted in the identification of problems with both brake switches.

As soon as I turned the key to the on position the rear stop light lit up, so I knew something was amiss. I discovered a couple of seconds later that the rear brake switch had come apart, which I think is common. The rubber had torn away completely allowing the top part of the switch to come off. The top part was still there so I just stuck it back in place temporarily to try things out, and with it back in place the rear light switch and stop light were working fine. I tried the front brake as well and that caused the stop light to come on as it should.

So I went out for a short ride to try out the new setup, and about half way into it I discovered that my rear switch had come apart and I had lost the top part of it so my stop light was on for the remainder of the ride, which was maybe 20 minutes or so. Miraculously I found the top part of the switch by retracing my path. I stuck it in my pocket and rode on home.

Today I thought I would see if I could repair the rear switch with some rubber cement until I get a new one sorted. This didn't work at all, and while I was at it I noticed that my front switch was no longer making the stop light come on! So I pulled the rubber boot down from the bottom of the master cylinder to expose the switch and checked the wiring. I'm getting power on the white wire with the key on, and I get power to the brown wire when I press the rear brake, which is as it should be, I think eh? There is fluid in the master cylinder and the front brake is working great. I tried shorting the two terminals on the front switch with the wires still connected using a bit of wire and it didn't make the stop light come on. Based on all of that I'm concluding that the front switch is bad too.

So now I've got a couple of questions:

1) does my diagnosis (bad front brake switch) sounds correct, and if so, what would cause the front switch to die? Could the stop light being on for 20 minutes or so have caused it? Or could it just be the fact that it was in actual use for the first time in many years? I'm running original style bulbs that are all working great.

2) can the front switch be rebuilt, or is it something that needs to just be replaced? The service manual suggests that it can't be serviced, but I've found that to be incorrect once or twice in the past.

Thanks a lot :)!!

J
 
I am on my 3rd front one, they just stop working and replacement is the only option as they are sealed.
 
There is fluid in the master cylinder and the front brake is working great. I tried shorting the two terminals on the front switch with the wires still connected using a bit of wire and it didn't make the stop light come on. Based on all of that I'm concluding that the front switch is bad too.


1) does my diagnosis (bad front brake switch) sounds correct,

No. If the switch was faulty then the brake light should have come on when white was connected to brown.
 
do a quick test as LAB suggest, disconnect both wires at the front switch. with power on connect the white to the run, and the light should come on...

get a new one.

where are you located? if you fill out a bit more info on your profile page there may be someone close by willing to give you a hand...
 
I’m pretty sure I have a new front switch which is not needed since I went the CNW m/c route ... on Cape Breton Island right now , will take a look on Tuesday once home ... will be more than the other parts I sent earlier , haha!, still cheap though ...
Craig
 
do a quick test as LAB suggest,

I didn't suggest a test.

It had already been done (white connected to brown). Apparently, the light did not come on which suggests something other than the switch is causing the fault.
 
still sounds like you need to get a new switch.

If the brake light had come on with white connected to brown that would have pointed to it being a faulty switch, however, the light DID NOT come on therefore, there must be another problem.

Edit: The switch could easily be checked with a multimeter.
 
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Thanks folks!!

Checked the switch with multi-meter as per LAB's tip (can't believe that hadn't occurred to me!), and it works perfectly. Thanks a million for the super kind offer though Craig!!

What you've said makes sense LAB. I'm getting some continuity from the brown wire to the frame. Is that normal, or have I just discovered a wire with a short?
 
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I'm getting some continuity from the brown wire to the frame. Is that normal, or have I just discovered a wire with a short?

If the bulb is fitted (and not blown) then it would be normal.
 
Yep, bulb is fitted and not blown. Everything seems to be good then, except the rear switch... This will require some head scratching a cup of tea...
 
Yep, bulb is fitted and not blown. Everything seems to be good then, except the rear switch...

No, it isn't good because the front brake light circuit should still work even if the rear switch doesn't.
 
Agreed. Should the brown wire be getting power when disconnected from the front switch when the rear pedal is pressed? It is, and I was taking this to mean that power is flowing as it should.
 
Should the brown wire be getting power when disconnected from the front switch when the rear pedal is pressed? It is, and I was taking this to mean that power is flowing as it should.

If the rear switch is working then, yes, with the rear brake switch ON, there would be power in the front brake light switch brown wire.
 
Thanks, that's what I was thinking. And the white wire is getting power as soon as the main switch is on. So both wires appear to have power at the appropriate times, and the front switch works. So I'm a bit stumped about where to look next.
 
Thanks, that's what I was thinking. And the white wire is getting power as soon as the main switch is on. So both wires appear to have power at the appropriate times, and the front switch works. So I'm a bit stumped about where to look next.

Check the tail lamp bulb holder 'ground' wire is the actual wire connected to harness red.
 
Thanks for that LAB. Yep, the tail lamp bulb ground wire is the one connected to harness red.
 
So, is there any power reaching the bulb holder brake light contact when you operate the front brake (switch)?

Does the brake light work when connected directly to the battery(-)?
 
There is power reaching the bulb holder brake light contact when I operate the front brake.

And yep, the brake light works when connected to a battery, or when I use the rear brake switch.
 
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