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Boo to PM May on Prime Minister’s Question Time on potholes!

Discussion in 'Access Norton Pub' started by Bernhard, Mar 2, 2018.

  1. Bernhard

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    On Wednesdays PMQT Theresa May sidestepped a question from a fellow MP about the state of the amount of potholes on Britain’s roads –some are so big you could have a bath in them!


    http://www.annemain.com/content/potholes-and-road-maintenance


    she clearly doesn’t care about the state of the country at home, still blaming the last Labour government for the roads-OMG her party have been in power for 7 Years!!!!


    As for the latest weather of snow and ice from Siberia covering nearly the whole counter it is hiding a multiple of sins underneath the snow
     
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  2. Fast Eddie

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    I think the PM, whoever it were, has a bit on their plate right now!

    Potholes are your councils fault.

    I live in Oxford, roads here are awful, our council thinks we should all levitate. They hate personal motorised transport, but don’t offer much sensible alternative...
     
  3. acotrel

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    It doesn't matter who is in power, problems are always somebody else's fault. In Australia, the Libs rabbit on about 'Labor's mess'. They act as though the GFC never happened so they can blame Labor for the current difficulties with our economy. The simple fact is that when the GFC happened, the Rudd government gave $900 to every pensioner and supplied more money for public projects . That extra money in circulation is probably the reason we got through the crisis fairly well. However it is impossible to prove that without the stimulus we would have ended up with a major depression in Australia. The question should be - when is a LIE not a LIE ?
     
  4. Madnorton

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    Potholes in the UK scare me more than stupid, blind and deaf car drivers!!
     
  5. Bernhard

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    Re; “Potholes are your councils fault.” Councils are responsible for local roads but NOT motorways, it is ultimately the government who allocate what the councils can spend on the highways, in the UK it’s the DVLA who collect the “road fund licence” fee, the government then allocates and distributes the money and set the amount the councils can charge in rates and any % increase in rate rises – they have been subject to a rate freeze until recently and these last 8 years we in the UK have been subject to the so called “2010 austerity drive” - yet recently the “Dynamic Duero” of ex PM David Cameron and Former Chancellor turned Evening Standard editor George Osborne were celebrating in the House of Comedians that they had succeeded in their goal The current budget deficit – the money borrowed by the government to fund day-to-day spending rather than long-term investment – hit a surplus in 2017, according to new Office for National Statistics data. Yet they have not increased spending on Pot Holes !!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43254809

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/george-cameron-austerity_uk_5a987037e4b089ec35386b35


    Why is it that every time the Tory party attempts to “save “ money the majority of the time it ends up costing them ( read Taxpayer) more – all these potholes are doing a lot of damage to suspension of all kinds of vehicles –even tractors- where the owner sues the council for causing the damage!!!
     
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  6. Fast Eddie

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    Calm down dear! I’m a road user too you know. I agree with you that it’s shite, and should improve.

    My main point was that it’s a bit naive to expect it to be number one on the PMs list of priorities right now!

    And it’s nowt to do with being left or right. Whoever was in power, and whoever was PM, they’d still be drowning in a political quagmire right now !!
     
  7. Danno

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    Politics is the art of doing nothing while appearing to be doing something.
     
  8. Bernhard

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    UK motorways are good, but the A roads are a mess, and anything smaller is simply hellish.

    Why is it if you buy a brand new car or bike you have to have an annual MOT every year, but the state of the roads is allowed to get worse?

    And woe behold anyone who gets caught with less than 1/15 mm of thread in one of their tyres!

    The road surface should be replaced every 10-15 years, but now it is more likely 20-35 years with any potholes being filled in with a substandard repair so that it only lasts one hash British winter at the most before it requires attention again

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/01/pothole-near-nottingham-is-celebrating-its-second-birthday-6547238/

    The above is nothing I have seen pothole get bigger and bigger each passing year, I once filled a large pothole 2 feet deep on a private road by filling it with rubble and pouring post concrete and water in it, and sent the bill to the road owner , I was surprised to get paid for this ! But I can’t touch the roads on the Queens highway without the council coming down on me like a ton of bricks!
     
  9. Fast Eddie

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    No arguments from me on anything there Bernhard!

    There has to be some related irony in the rise in popularity of OFF road vehicles, purchased by people to use ON the road....!

    Due, at least in part, to the poor condition of the roads.
     
  10. Danno

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    Imagine a band of vigilante cement masons going around filling potholes at night.
     
  11. Fast Eddie

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    Not a bad idea!
     
  12. xbacksideslider

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    Abolish all road taxes and privatize the roads.
    Then, as a toll payer, you could sue the road's owner for your busted suspension.
     
  13. Fast Eddie

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    But they’re already ‘owned’ by someone, council, highways agency, etc.

    Why not just sue them?
     
  14. Bernhard

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    Heres one city whohave found the money to repair their roads:
    Amey Announced Preferred Bidder for £2 Billion Sheffield Highways Contract;

    https://www.amey.co.uk/media/press-...er-for-2-billion-sheffield-highways-contract/

    Sheffield's entire road network to be resurfaced over next five years;

    https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1024520

    Newly-resurfaced Sheffield roads turning into "death traps" in wintry weather

    Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/newl...-into-death-traps-in-wintry-weather-1-9001029
     
  15. Bernhard

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    I did state that it was a PRIVATE road that resembled little more than a farm track!

    And NO I would not go out repairing local roads that have been tarmacked over, if you fill them up with concrete, when the top surface is tarmac, you are liable to be sued for any accident caused by change of road surface!!
     
  16. kommando

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    UK motorways are good

    Maintained by Highways Agency funded directly from Central Govt

    but the A roads are a mess

    Maintained by Local Authorities

    Government allocates £1.2 billion roads funding to councils

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-allocates-12-billion-roads-funding-to-councils

    Considering the repairs on my local road are done yearly by spraying some odd mix of gravel and tar into water logged holes that then immediately start to lift out and the local A road repairs start to fall apart after 12 months our local contractor is raking in lots of loot with his strategy of cheap repairs. This contractor has been doing this regardless of the political majority on the council so someone in the roads is on the take or not tendering correctly.
     
  17. Bernhard

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    Potholes are caused when water penetrates tiny cracks in the road – cracks that are usually caused by traffic. When this water freezes, it expands, widening the cracks. When it melts, traffic thumps down on the space vacated by the ice and smashes new craters into the road surface. And these holes can be a nightmare for road-users. In January 2009, cyclists reported 699 allegedly hazardous potholes to cycle campaign group CTC's website, fillthathole.org.uk. In January this year, 3,508 hazardous potholes were logged. And as anyone travelling our scarred and sorry roads knows, this is just a drop in a very large puddle. The cold weather we experienced last month has led to an estimated 40% increase in the damage to our roads. But are these holes as unavoidable as the weather itself? Not everyone thinks so. "This sort of thing doesn't happen in Scandinavia or France, where they mend the roads properly," says David Weeks, director of the AIA. "A well-maintained road will withstand snow and ice without a problem. This is a legacy of 25 years of government underfunding and the siphoning of road maintenance money into other projects at a town hall level."

    While it may be true that roads in other parts of Europe are less scarred by potholes, some road experts do think that our current winter climate – with more rain and a more frequent cycle of freezing and thawing – is particularly conducive to potholes. More importantly, Britain's roads carry far more traffic than most other European countries: 34m motor vehicles clocked up 508.9bn vehicle kilometres on our roads in 2008 alone – up by 50bn over the last decade.

    Perhaps most crucially of all, other countries do not have so many drains and services placed under their roads, and do not give scores of privatised utility and telecoms companies the legal right to dig up a brand new road. Transport for London calculates that 1m holes are dug in the capital's roads every year, which makes the AIA's estimate of 2m holes being dug in UK roads by the utility companies each year look like an underestimate. While utility companies have an obligation to repair what they dig up to a certain standard, this has an impact on the roads. Even if the work isn't shoddy – which it sometimes is – breaking up and then repairing the road surface makes it more susceptible to potholes. So what price a few holes in the road? Road builders and local authorities (responsible for nine out of 10 miles of road; the Highways Agency looks after motorways and major trunk roads) claim that repairing the full backlog of holes in our knackered roads would cost an extra £8.5bn (on top of their normal yearly spend). Last year councils did fill in 968,195 potholes, but funding for roads is unlikely to be a priority in the future, with a public-spending squeeze. The Local Government Association has asked the Department for Transport for emergency funds of £100m to deal with the latest, most pressing repairs, but how far will this go? Harrow council estimates it will cost £2m simply to fix the new potholes in its borough.

    Last night on ITV 1 was a program on potholes on UK roads –it was not good if you watched it, 50 cyclists a year will get killed or injured due to deep potholes in the roads. There was also an item of road repair that costs 3 times as much as the bodge up the local councils are using to save money, so it is a never ending round of repairs of the same potholes…………
     
  18. Danno

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    You realize I was only joking, don't you? As a rider who has bent a cast wheel hitting a pothole, I support any effort to fill them. The problem is much worse as you travel north to colder regions, but we still have a few black holes in the road around here. Illinois has more miles of roadway than any other place its size on earth. In Chicago, people call their aldermen to complain about potholes and vote the bastards out who don't do their jobs. Rural roads, especially in economically-disadvantaged areas are a different story. With billions of dollars of public pension debt, not a lot left for rural pothole repair.
     
  19. Bernhard

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    Yes, in spite of the lack of emoji’s I realised you were joking, I answered the way I did in case anyone else out there misinterpreted that pot hole filler reply!:(

    I was thinking of going out on one dark night with a pick axle and opening out the bad potholes and putting a set of traffic cones around the offending hole and getting someone else to take photographs to send to the council – but they take sweet FA notice:eek:
     
  20. acotrel

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    If all the roads in the UK were sold to private companies and became competing toll roads, there might be no more pot-holes ? If you have a complaint, you can shop around for a better deal. Isn't that the theory behind neoliberalism and the globalised free market economy ?
     
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