Another success into Peel failure

Just belly aching out loud. Hit another mile stone after building
wheels using Al tape to try to seal spokes.
Leaked like sieve out half the spokes and the stem, ugh.
In sun again to soften tire and start over on plan B with
sealant, only thing I can bring self to apply as usual is
Racer Blue Hylomar. At least don't have to lean failure
twice at front tire mounting strain practice.
So far ain't nicked Al rims to matter, but just wait i know better now.

If anyone got insights on easy to remove spoke sealing speak up.
I can't see using tank sealer or the special bicycle rim tapes, yet.

hobot

Hobot, you are trying to seal the spoke nipples from inside, to run tubeless?

If so, I've had good luck with silicone sealer - GE Aluminum and Metal Silicone II worked quite well doing this job on Borrani rims on a Moto Guzzi Eldorado. I run Pirelli Sport Demons tubeless on those spoke rims and they don't lose pressure - they don't lose ANY pressure. Pretty cool. Good luck to you.

PS - info here: http://thisoldtractor.com/gtbender/loop ... conversion

Yes, tubeless in a way not to approach mass of tube and valley strip.
Though it'd still not generate the heat of a tube inside does.
I have no fear to ride like the wind on plugged thin race tires,
sometimes two plug cords to patch the slice of flint points,
ONLY thing is that if plug is near center Do Not ever
power tire into much of a spin or grind, as can pull out the
plug, unknown going straight and fast but wheedoggy doo
it'll get crazy on first real lean.

Shy'ed away from RTV-silicon, have seen it decay too many times
and I think remember reading it failed soon inside rims.
But if you can use up Pirelli's with it then should work a treat in Peel
Was going to use Hylomar but only two tubes left that Trixie
and Peel will need, so will check the silicons on hand hear
and have at it tonight.

MX shops will use a semi-flexible tank sealer, Peddle bikes
use special rim tapes.

Hobot, can only claim a few thousand miles of successful use myself, but lots of Guzzi guys have had more. I'm hoping it's a long term fix, but can't speak from experience.

If you go this route, share yours with us!

Best of luck to you and Ms. Peel. Diana Rigg....mmmm!

If you want the tires to go on slick as a whistle, get some glycerine. You will be amazed how easily the tire goes on.

Well same ol stuff for me to face again and again.
Used blue silicone piled up and smoothed over spoke
nipples-rim depressions and valve stem seat. Let cure
over 36 hours. Used the glycerin suggestion wiped off
to just shiny film. Got tire on, correct rotation, nil rim marring.

Stem wouldn't take or hold air at first, huh, but turned out to just
stem center screwed in tighter. Aired up pretty high but
never heard the bead pop in this time and could
see it was not centered in rim. But before I aired back
down to re-do inflate, thought to shampoo ii in my long Ozark
tradition.

Bubbles out one spoke and a bunch of places through cracks
of aged but barely used Avon 23 130. ugh.
At least good enough to see if clears everything, after
I put a gearbox together to hang a sprocket on for chain run.

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hobot

So once it's sealed how do you adjust a spoke nipple? Take the wheel off, remove the tire, and re-seal? Neat idea, but too much work for me.

pelican, the spokes are nipped up tight, just short of rounding
nipples or twisting spoke so should never need attending.
If just needs a spoke tightened - yes would have to get
tire off and dig out the sealer.

If Ms Peel wasn't so special, then yeah it would not at all
be worth the efforts.

hobot

Steve, did you ever take a look at http://tubliss.com/ they are made to use tubeless tires on spoked wheels.

Jean

Jean, haven't you been following the saga, Hobot went tubliss a while ago, from what I read it is working well for him.

Yes sir Jean's pointing out Tubliss - saved the day with Peels rear rim seal and bead clamping. Only leaks out rear side wall cracks and its chewed up old tire bead. Milestone was to get Peel up on two wheels after 5 yr in scattered parts adapting new hub and brake set up. Two years spent on wheels, in between other things. Front seal by just blue RTV worked - but RTV blobs were still exposed to tire lever snagging as made one leak on first tire install. Tubliss sent me their heavy duty protector tape for free and so far air tight mounted.

Next show stoppers expected to over come is drive chain clearance and brake and peg installs, after the money limits of course.

W/o the top and sides of engine and gear box or drive train I can still lift Peel up : ) With everything on and fully wet I hope to be able to drag out of ditches and lift into trucks by myself too, after feed bags and beer cases unloaded first if still on board. Hope not to have to dig out deer fur or Gravel jammed in tire beads ever again, but just wishful thinking, so must figure out crash bars and fork stops, as mere stem tab is just plain silly for my needs. Removed them all a few times from 3 cycles this decade, so lesion has sunk in now.

That Tubliss sure looks like a tube to me. Funny looking tube, but a tube nevertheless.

That Tubeliss product is not designed to save weight but to eliminate "snakebite" flats/tube failures on dirt bikes that hit sharp bumps at high speed while running low pressures.

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That Tubeliss product is not designed to save weight but to eliminate "snakebite" flats/tube failures on dirt bikes that hit sharp bumps at high speed while running low pressures.

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They claim "TUbliss® also provides a weight savings of up to 3 pounds per wheel" which is hard to believe. That's probably compared to the extra heavy duty tubes.

Hehe its a clever name as not meaning Tube-less, just Tube-Bliss!

Tubliss can indeed save wheel mass over what is used in off road rough riding on low air but not as light as no tube or bead clamps at all, duh. Its an ingenious device to me!!! It also taught me new way to take tires on and off. Bicker all ya like on how un=needed bead clamp or low air tire security is in your life but just reveals to me how limited scope you operate in so far or had fates take a tire off rim at speed. I was getting set to glue and screw rear tire on through new rims so guess how happy I am at this useless item to you. Anywho I remain firm in repeating about best race and safety training you can get is try half air in one tire at a time them both at once. Do ya know what a front blow out feels like at 90-100 mph, I do and you can't tell it from a bit of wind gusts till you begin to lean or brake much. Plugging a hole with tire on bike at side of road is also a pleasure and vital aid to include judging this device.

hobot said:

I have no fear to ride like the wind on plugged thin race tires,
sometimes two plug cords to patch the slice of flint points,

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hobot said:

Do ya know what a front blow out feels like at 90-100 mph, I do and you can't tell it from a bit of wind gusts till you begin to lean or brake much.

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Most of us don't ride on questionable tires so the risk of blow outs are slightly less. :roll:

Most of us don't ride on questionable tires so the risk of blow outs are slightly less.

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OK swoosh, I thought you had some meanness in your posts now I know you do so not realistic to respond to sensibly and hope your innocence of riding fate remains as reality hurt and not everyone survives to ride again. I respect what you are doing for Norton history and your own builds but not for much on judging what I deal with. BTW tube tires are way more blow out prone when slow leak lets tube shift and tears the stem. I quit buying new car and SV tires as they get ruined some times before i get home or within a week or so. Now if tire is still mostly round and mostly holds air over a few hours its fine for me and more to spend on other stuff.

Geez Steve! For your own safety I think we may need to start a collection fund to buy new tires for you. I hope you're not planning to re-use the tires in the last two pictures!

Thanks for the uplifting offer Steve but I'm over stocked in tires now, because silly me thought just behaving at full care and alertness would allow me to use em up.
Until I learned the Tubliss method I found it easier to cut off the old tires. One of my ongoing road habits is to try to wear sides down good before center goes or I lose out 2/3 of the meat and would only get ~2000 miles a tire, less if I kick up heels. One SV tire I smoked in place till it burst but what a mess so once was enough. Had photo of cloud of smoke hiding whole front of cycle shop but it got left at the shop that owner was too much a drunk to keep going.

One bad event on Peel when tire not put on straight, de rimmed, saved only by breaking off stem stop and fracturing IS tank front, but then left 6 miles from home on THE Gravel, so limped it home like a drunk peg legged sea sick sailor, stopping every few 1oo yd to clip off wires tangling up. Learn what low air feels like on your own terms not by surprise.