Another point of view on oils, ect

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elefantrider said:
Interesting results!

Ever try Motul?
https://www.motul.com/us/en-US/products ... motorcycle

Like the Silkolene, any oil THAT expensive must be better, right? :roll:

Just an idea, but are you sure the Franz filter "TP media" is not breaking down, making the oil thicker?
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I don't know anything about Motul's heavier-weight oils (or even if they make any) such as we would use in our old bikes, but their 10W-40 4T rates consistently as good or better than Mobil 1 4T in various tests I have read. And costs nearly twice as much!
 
elefantrider said:
Interesting results!

Ever try Motul?
https://www.motul.com/us/en-US/products ... motorcycle

Like the Silkolene, any oil THAT expensive must be better, right? :roll:

Just an idea, but are you sure the Franz filter "TP media" is not breaking down, making the oil thicker?
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The TP media is cellulose. The same as most oil filter elements. It is not affected by the oil.

I went halfway to Motul and bought 6 quarts of Royal Purple racing synthetic for the next try. It's readily available unlike Motul.
I do use Motul in my KTM. Jim
 
Hi Jim, I think it was Doug McCrae that told me he had used Motul synthetic in his race motor, good oil but so slippery it came out from crank seals etc.
Regards Mike
 
comnoz said:
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hbSbBeWYdE[/video]
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Jim,

Couple questions.

What is the oil capacity of your bike?

You mentioned that you added 3 qt of oil along the 2,000 mi trip, and I am curious if the oil consumption remaining relatively constant throughout, i.e., 1 qt every 500 mi, or did the rate of oil consumption accelerate with each qt consumed, possibly due to oil degradation and accompanying higher levels of oxidizers/contaminants accumulating in the oil?
 
WZ507 said:
Jim,

Couple questions.

What is the oil capacity of your bike?

You mentioned that you added 3 qt of oil along the 2,000 mi trip, and I am curious if the oil consumption remaining relatively constant throughout, i.e., 1 qt every 500 mi, or did the rate of oil consumption accelerate with each qt consumed, possibly due to oil degradation and accompanying higher levels of oxidizers/contaminants accumulating in the oil?
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My bike holds about 4 qts including the bypass filter and oil coolers.

The oil consumption did not seem to increase over the span of the trip. The first stop at 500 miles took about a qt.
If I continue to run this motor next year, it will be with better pistons....
 
Hi Jim, I wont be able to view your oil video until I get onshore with better inet speed and band width, what is your consensus on the Silkolene?
Regards Mike
 
Brooking 850 said:
Hi Jim, I wont be able to view your oil video until I get onshore with better inet speed and band width, what is your consensus on the Silkolene?
Regards Mike
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It did not seem to handle life in my bike as well as Mobil 1 did. It got too thick too fast.
Probably good oil for most applications. Jim
 
After a bunch of research and many inquiries for information here is the list of oils I would suggest for use in a Norton motor.
There may be others that would be suitable but note that if the oil has a GF-4 or GF-5 designation then it is NOT suitable for an air cooled, flat tappet engine.

Here is my list for oils that would be suitable
in a Norton motor. All are capable of high temperature
operation and have support for flat lifter cams.

ZN PHOS
Brad Penn Grade 1 20W-50 #7119 1540 1319

Mobil 1 20W-50 (V-Twin) 1600 1700

Mobil 1 0W-50 Racing 1750 1850

Joe Gibbs conv. 15W-50 high

Joe Gibbs synth.15W-50 high

Amzoil Dominator Racing 15W-50 high

Royal Purple XPR 20W-50 1200

Valvoline NSL Synthetic 20W-50 1400 1300

I did not include Valvoline VR1 racing oil because
it has changed formula in the past couple years
and is now rated for use in emission controlled vehicles.
I have not been able to get up to date data. The request
to Ashland oil for information was not answered.. Jim
 
Jim,

Not sure if this has already been mentioned , but what about Harley Davidsons own brand 20/50. I know Harleys have roller followers & big ends. At the end of the day they are big air cooled engines.

Martyn.
 
Matchless said:
Jim,

Not sure if this has already been mentioned , but what about Harley Davidsons own brand 20/50. I know Harleys have roller followers & big ends. At the end of the day they are big air cooled engines.

Martyn.
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It may be good -but that is one I did not check on and I have no info. Jim
 
comnoz said:
After a bunch of research and many inquiries for information here is the list of oils I would suggest for use in a Norton motor.
There may be others that would be suitable but note that if the oil has a GF-4 or GF-5 designation then it is NOT suitable for an air cooled, flat tappet engine.

Here is my list for oils that would be suitable
in a Norton motor. All are capable of high temperature
operation and have support for flat lifter cams.

ZN PHOS
Brad Penn Grade 1 20W-50 #7119 1540 1319

Mobil 1 20W-50 (V-Twin) 1600 1700

Mobil 1 0W-50 Racing 1750 1850

Joe Gibbs conv. 15W-50 high

Joe Gibbs synth.15W-50 high

Amzoil Dominator Racing 15W-50 high

Royal Purple XPR 20W-50 1200

Valvoline NSL Synthetic 20W-50 1400 1300

I did not include Valvoline VR1 racing oil because
it has changed formula in the past couple years
and is now rated for use in emission controlled vehicles.
I have not been able to get up to date data. The request
to Ashland oil for information was not answered.. Jim
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Not making any suggestions one way or the other, but had an anecdote to pass along regarding Amsoil Dominator Racing Oil.

I had a conversation with Amsoil about this oil for a different application a few years back. At that time I was informed that it did not contain a corrosion inhibitor package like those used in their more conventional oils and for that reason should not be used in an engine that might be stored for an extended period of time. The recommendation for this oil was to use the engine for the racing event, then drain oil and refill with fresh oil. This is a recommendation I’ve seen made by other oil vendors for their racing oils.

Although ZDDP is often cited as a corrosion inhibitor in its own right, the Amsoil tech made no reference to this and simply cautioned about storing an engine containing their Dominator oil.

In the link below Amsoil calls out their oil products that are specially formulated to contain a “robust rust and corrosion inhibitor” package, and I've cited the specific products in red font passage below.

http://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/motor-o ... -vehicles/

"AMSOIL Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, AMSOIL marine engine oils, AMSOIL Z-ROD® Synthetic Motor Oil and AMSOIL Formula 4-Stroke® Synthetic Small Engine Oil contain robust rust and corrosion inhibitors. They deliver outstanding performance for your engines when you’re driving, and superior rust and corrosion protection when they sit idle.
 
WZ507 said:
Not making any suggestions one way or the other, but had an anecdote to pass along regarding Amsoil Dominator Racing Oil.

I had a conversation with Amsoil about this oil for a different application a few years back. At that time I was informed that it did not contain a corrosion inhibitor package like those used in their more conventional oils and for that reason should not be used in an engine that might be stored for an extended period of time. The recommendation for this oil was to use the engine for the racing event, then drain oil and refill with fresh oil. This is a recommendation I’ve seen made by other oil vendors for their racing oils.

Although ZDDP is often cited as a corrosion inhibitor in its own right, the Amsoil tech made no reference to this and simply cautioned about storing an engine containing their Dominator oil.

In the link below Amsoil calls out their oil products that are specially formulated to contain a “robust rust and corrosion inhibitor” package, and I've cited the specific products in red font passage below.

http://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/motor-o ... -vehicles/

"AMSOIL Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, AMSOIL marine engine oils, AMSOIL Z-ROD® Synthetic Motor Oil and AMSOIL Formula 4-Stroke® Synthetic Small Engine Oil contain robust rust and corrosion inhibitors. They deliver outstanding performance for your engines when you’re driving, and superior rust and corrosion protection when they sit idle.
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Well I put Royal Purple in my new motor.
Both Royal Purple XPR and Mobil 1 V-twin are suitable for long term use. Jim
 
I use the oil at # 5 on your list in my race motor.
Very happy with it so far.
Regards Mike
 
comnoz said:
After a bunch of research and many inquiries for information here is the list of oils I would suggest for use in a Norton motor.
There may be others that would be suitable but note that if the oil has a GF-4 or GF-5 designation then it is NOT suitable for an air cooled, flat tappet engine.

Here is my list for oils that would be suitable
in a Norton motor. All are capable of high temperature
operation and have support for flat lifter cams.

ZN PHOS
Brad Penn Grade 1 20W-50 #7119 1540 1319

Mobil 1 20W-50 (V-Twin) 1600 1700

Mobil 1 0W-50 Racing 1750 1850

Joe Gibbs conv. 15W-50 high

Joe Gibbs synth.15W-50 high

Amzoil Dominator Racing 15W-50 high

Royal Purple XPR 20W-50 1200

Valvoline NSL Synthetic 20W-50 1400 1300

I did not include Valvoline VR1 racing oil because
it has changed formula in the past couple years
and is now rated for use in emission controlled vehicles.
I have not been able to get up to date data. The request
to Ashland oil for information was not answered.. Jim
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Jim, Redline motorcycle specific oil is a popular choice with some. Any reason its not on your list?
 
Fast Eddie said:
comnoz said:
After a bunch of research and many inquiries for information here is the list of oils I would suggest for use in a Norton motor.
There may be others that would be suitable but note that if the oil has a GF-4 or GF-5 designation then it is NOT suitable for an air cooled, flat tappet engine.

Here is my list for oils that would be suitable
in a Norton motor. All are capable of high temperature
operation and have support for flat lifter cams.

ZN PHOS
Brad Penn Grade 1 20W-50 #7119 1540 1319

Mobil 1 20W-50 (V-Twin) 1600 1700

Mobil 1 0W-50 Racing 1750 1850

Joe Gibbs conv. 15W-50 high

Joe Gibbs synth.15W-50 high

Amzoil Dominator Racing 15W-50 high

Royal Purple XPR 20W-50 1200

Valvoline NSL Synthetic 20W-50 1400 1300

I did not include Valvoline VR1 racing oil because
it has changed formula in the past couple years
and is now rated for use in emission controlled vehicles.
I have not been able to get up to date data. The request
to Ashland oil for information was not answered.. Jim
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Jim, Redline motorcycle specific oil is a popular choice with some. Any reason its not on your list?
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It is because the information I could find on the extreme pressure and temperature capability was supplied only by Redline.
No confirmation yet by an independent party, but it has a good reputation and is probably fine. Jim
 
Nigel, I swapped from Redline to Joe Gibbs.
Maybe I had a bad batch, I posted some photos on the forum for JS to show the burnt look on the skirts and up under the crowns of the pistons.
One of the small ends had tightened up as well, we figure it was a bad batch or old oil and it broke down.
Regards Mike
 
Brooking 850 said:
Nigel, I swapped from Redline to Joe Gibbs.
Maybe I had a bad batch, I posted some photos on the forum for JS to show the burnt look on the skirts and up under the crowns of the pistons.
One of the small ends had tightened up as well, we figure it was a bad batch or old oil and it broke down.
Regards Mike
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Interesting...

Which redline did you use?
 
Ill double check once I get home, although I seem to think it was a straight 50 W
Regards Mike
 
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