961 is back !

the latest MCN in the UK has an interview with Norton boss Robert : “new models due to be announced autumn 2024”, so plenty more time for speculation/discussion.....
Just did a thread about that. He is just spouting the corporate line. From the new annual report " has formed or firmed up its product plan with a series of new products to be launched in coming years catering to various markets and segments in the premium motorcycle market. "

This will make SS happy as they use the word "premium"!!
 
Literally NOBODY on this forum is saying that!
Errrrrr...I think if you group together your post you seem like you have a seat at the last supper or at worst you have a box set of Anthony Robbins tapes!

There is nothing wrong with being overly optimistic but you treat TVS like it is your favorite ride at Disneyland! Again we all hope for the best!
 
the latest MCN in the UK has an interview with Norton boss Robert : “new models due to be announced autumn 2024”, so plenty more time for speculation/discussion.....
I’m not saying he’s wrong or that TVS / Norton isn’t working on new models. But.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Kinda like seeing the 1/3 -300 changes they made to the 961. Talk is cheap.

I will say this.

I hope Norton makes new models of their own designs and bring it to the world market.
 
I’m not saying he’s wrong or that TVS / Norton isn’t working on new models. But.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Kinda like seeing the 1/3 -300 changes they made to the 961. Talk is cheap.

I will say this.

I hope Norton makes new models of their own designs and bring it to the world market.
I honestly think reading between the lines in the annual report and how they’ve got Norton grouped together with that Swedish company that does EV stuff we’re going to see EV vehicles coming out of Norton for a collaboration but ultimately produced by Norton
 
Errrrrr...I think if you group together your post you seem like you have a seat at the last supper or at worst you have a box set of Anthony Robbins tapes!

There is nothing wrong with being overly optimistic but you treat TVS like it is your favorite ride at Disneyland! Again we all hope for the best!
Yer’ free to characterise my comments as you please CG - without reading the content it seems. Might the reality be though, that some have moved soooooooo far across on the ‘scepticism-pessimism-cynicism-negativity scale’, they no longer recognise balanced (if hopeful) middle ground commentary. Admittedly, I may also be guilty of purposefully countering some of this (IMO) overly repetitive-negative content.

I’m gonna continue with what I view as balanced-hopeful/anticipatory/constructive commentary, where appropriate - particularly in an environment where we often lack meaningful information. It then becomes a matter of perspective I suppose. You are entitled to your own perspective, of course.
 
Yer’ free to characterise my comments as you please CG - without reading the content it seems. Might the reality be though, that some have moved soooooooo far across on the ‘scepticism-pessimism-cynicism-negativity scale’, they no longer recognise balanced (if hopeful) middle ground commentary. Admittedly, I may also be guilty of purposefully countering some of this (IMO) overly repetitive-negative content.

I’m gonna continue with what I view as balanced-hopeful/anticipatory/constructive commentary, where appropriate - particularly in an environment where we often lack meaningful information. It then becomes a matter of perspective I suppose. You are entitled to your own perspective, of course.
I think this best describes it :)

 
I honestly think reading between the lines in the annual report and how they’ve got Norton grouped together with that Swedish company that does EV stuff we’re going to see EV vehicles coming out of Norton for a collaboration but ultimately produced by Norton
I would have to agree with you.

I can’t see TVS spending money and R&D on a new ICE bike.
Wouldn’t make any sense. 2035 isn’t far away.

That’s one thing Harley was ahead of the game on with the Livewire.
 
2035 may not be far away, but that’s twelve years of selling plenty of bikes every year. I predict there will be several ICE bikes in that time, as other makers will also have.
Absolutely, there will no doubt be multiple ICE models whilst they develop/deliver the first EV. As far as initial losses are concerned, an obvious eventuality given that they are effectively a start-up.
 
2035 may not be far away, but that’s twelve years of selling plenty of bikes every year. I predict there will be several ICE bikes in that time, as other makers will also have.
Except the fact that Norton doesn’t sell hardly any bikes.
 
2035 may not be far away, but that’s twelve years of selling plenty of bikes every year. I predict there will be several ICE bikes in that time, as other makers will also have.
Indeed.
And I would bet that ICE machines are sold beyond the "chiseled in stone" date of 2035 as well.
The Enviro-Nazis in the WEF are pushing real hard to move the world completely to electric, but it will be far more difficult than they imagined to achieve their goal on by that date.
Plenty of time for new ICE machines.
 
Indeed.
And I would bet that ICE machines are sold beyond the "chiseled in stone" date of 2035 as well.
The Enviro-Nazis in the WEF are pushing real hard to move the world completely to electric, but it will be far more difficult than they imagined to achieve their goal on by that date.
Plenty of time for new ICE machines.
We can always hope !
 
Question for the guys in the UK

I keep seeing all of these announcements from Norton on Instagram etc. that they have agreements with various dealerships etc. the question is are these dealerships good dealerships and do they actually have at least one motorcycle in stock. Do they have any type of advertising or anything within the stores that indicate they are some type of dealer?
 
Well there’s not a lot positive to find in this information, other than the responsiveness of the Norton spares department. I requested a quote for a duel seat cowl and a dual seat pad (rider). These components:

961 is back !


Geoff (Aftersales Advisor) was great - prompt and efficient. But I cannot explain the (beyond) extortionate cost of these items. In particular the Dual Seat Cowl @ GBP 961.89 (USD -1220):oops:!! The plastic cowl alone, no fittings or bum stop pad - GBP 616!

961 is back !


My initial thought was that this may be a mistake. I’ll request a clarification from Geoff, but his comment “Not cheap” may indicate otherwise.

How have others found the spares they have received, price wise? Unless someone can explain why a relatively small, plain (albeit painted) plastic cowl should be priced so highly?
 
I predict a huge surge in sale as folk literally ‘get ‘em while you can’.
For cars at least in the years running up to the cliff edge stop of ICE sales there will be quota's set to limit sales of ICE and Hybrid powertrains, so the scope for a final splurge will be limited. Best to get in before the quota's are being set.
 
Well there’s not a lot positive to find in this information, other than the responsiveness of the Norton spares department. I requested a quote for a duel seat cowl and a dual seat pad (rider). These components:

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Geoff (Aftersales Advisor) was great - prompt and efficient. But I cannot explain the (beyond) extortionate cost of these items. In particular the Dual Seat Cowl @ GBP 961.89 (USD -1220):oops:!! The plastic cowl alone, no fittings or bum stop pad - GBP 616!

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My initial thought was that this may be a mistake. I’ll request a clarification from Geoff, but his comment “Not cheap” may indicate otherwise.

How have others found the spares they have received, price wise? Unless someone can explain why a relatively small, plain (albeit painted) plastic cowl should be priced so highly?
My explanation would be that they don't want to sell parts to Donington bike owners. So, price them to the point that they don't have to sell them. According to my last stock check record, they owed Norton around £30 painted each.
 
Question for the guys in the UK

I keep seeing all of these announcements from Norton on Instagram etc. that they have agreements with various dealerships etc. the question is are these dealerships good dealerships and do they actually have at least one motorcycle in stock. Do they have any type of advertising or anything within the stores that indicate they are some type of dealer?
Norton sent out a blanket email via British Dealer News, inviting people to become "sales partners" (a ridiculous term).
The whole thing reads to me as though the 650 engine required too much work, so they had to scrap the project. They then needed something to sell....after all some time had already past and they had nothing to put up on Facebook....so had a rummage around in the old cupboard and found a dusty 961 sat there. Promptly this reappeared on the website and they back tracked on their initial statement of it having ran its course with no future left for the 961 (which was Garners opinon, hence flogging off rights whilst it was still worth something), updating a few parts, claiming it to be totally redesigned (no Norton, an example of a total redesign is a Ford mk5 Escort v the mk4 Escort) and then flooding social media with it being the new bestest thing available. Sale's obviously weren't as forthcoming as they had hoped, well, why would it be?....its out of date and the market now has much better options available than it did in 2010 for much less (Garners timing there was pretty spot on)....and the used market is also now full of seemingly the same bikes for much less. Brummie Norton tried to devalue the Donington bikes, and to some extent did so....but in the same stroke they made theirs look more of a rip off. So they invite every man and his dog to apply to be "Sale's partners"....and as long as they cleared the back ground checks, paid upfront a nice little sum and also bought a few bikes...they could hang the Norton sign above their door. Norton gets a bit of revenue, and more importantly they get to shift some bikes out the tradesmans back door (not the front door, as that'll be reserved for when they finally sell that out of date V4 to the general public) and let them deal with flogging them.
Of course, you could read into this as just coming from someone very bitter after having his morning wasted by being told he's not allowed on site at Norton to road test their "totally redesigned bike"...and to be honest you could be right. I tried my best to fly the flag for them, in the hope some sort of bridge may be built....but instead they set fire to it. In return, I've lowered their flag at home, set fire to that and pissed on the ashes. If they want me back on side again, they all know where I am....but they need to bring the wood and put some effort in as Ive not got time to build much as present. As far as corporate arrogance goes, they're trying to walk in shoes far to big for them. They talk as though they're exclusive as Brough and as big as Ducati....they're a long way off both.
 
Norton sent out a blanket email via British Dealer News, inviting people to become "sales partners" (a ridiculous term).
The whole thing reads to me as though the 650 engine required too much work, so they had to scrap the project. They then needed something to sell....after all some time had already past and they had nothing to put up on Facebook....so had a rummage around in the old cupboard and found a dusty 961 sat there. Promptly this reappeared on the website and they back tracked on their initial statement of it having ran its course with no future left for the 961 (which was Garners opinon, hence flogging off rights whilst it was still worth something), updating a few parts, claiming it to be totally redesigned (no Norton, an example of a total redesign is a Ford mk5 Escort v the mk4 Escort) and then flooding social media with it being the new bestest thing available. Sale's obviously weren't as forthcoming as they had hoped, well, why would it be?....its out of date and the market now has much better options available than it did in 2010 for much less (Garners timing there was pretty spot on)....and the used market is also now full of seemingly the same bikes for much less. Brummie Norton tried to devalue the Donington bikes, and to some extent did so....but in the same stroke they made theirs look more of a rip off. So they invite every man and his dog to apply to be "Sale's partners"....and as long as they cleared the back ground checks, paid upfront a nice little sum and also bought a few bikes...they could hang the Norton sign above their door. Norton gets a bit of revenue, and more importantly they get to shift some bikes out the tradesmans back door (not the front door, as that'll be reserved for when they finally sell that out of date V4 to the general public) and let them deal with flogging them.
Of course, you could read into this as just coming from someone very bitter after having his morning wasted by being told he's not allowed on site at Norton to road test their "totally redesigned bike"...and to be honest you could be right. I tried my best to fly the flag for them, in the hope some sort of bridge may be built....but instead they set fire to it. In return, I've lowered their flag at home, set fire to that and pissed on the ashes. If they want me back on side again, they all know where I am....but they need to bring the wood and put some effort in as Ive not got time to build much as present. As far as corporate arrogance goes, they're trying to walk in shoes far to big for them. They talk as though they're exclusive as Brough and as big as Ducati....they're a long way off both.

All good points.

You’re missing one crucial element though…

They’re premium…
 
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