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1975 Norton Mk3 distinguishing features

Discussion in 'Norton Commando Motorcycles (Classic)' started by p400, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. p400

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    What are the subtle differences between a Roadster and an Interstate Mk3?
    I can see the gas tank and side covers .
    Amals, instruments, seat, chassis, horn, fenders, wiring, handlebar, etc ??????

    fork spring rate?, rear spring rate?, rear dampers?

    Has anyone done a run thru the parts manual to get anal about this?

    Thank you


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  2. L.A.B.

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    Tank, seat, side covers.
    Handlebars were optional. Interstates generally had Veglia instruments and Roadsters had Smiths (since 1973 when Veglias were introduced). Minor differences between early and later Mk3 wiring but this applies to both Roadster and Interstate.

    Grab rail 06-4978 is now the same part for both Interstate and Roadster. (Edit: Although AN is currently offering the previous different version grab rails for Mk3s instead of 06-4978 :rolleyes:)



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  3. Deets55

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    3B7CBE9F-15DD-48F9-8922-21A094CB16B3.png Old Britts also shows three different grab rails for the MKIII. I believe the Interstate is a little more vertical. Not sure if this is OEM or not just caught my eye when I was parts shopping a while back.
    Pete
     
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  4. L.A.B.

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    One of the three is the Hi-Rider grab rail.

    Presumably, the other two they sell are AN parts so it saves AN producing three similar versions of grab rail (06-3819, 06-3632 and 06-4978) however, the Old Britts list has 06-4978 as "Interstate". That should be 06-3632 as 06-4978 is the standard Roadster/Interstate grab rail.

    The single Mk3 grab rail (Group 28, item 26) having become two different parts 26A and 26B.
    https://andover-norton.co.uk/en/shop-drawing/149/seats-seat-fittings-grab-rails

    https://andover-norton.co.uk/en/shop-details/16158/grab-rail-roadster-
    https://andover-norton.co.uk/en/shop-details/16124/grab-rail-interstate-

    Edit: (The change to the "commonised" 06-4978 grab rail is the subject of Norton Service Release N3/54, May 1973.)
     
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  5. PeterJoe

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    Here is a picture of a 06-4978 "universal" grab rail which was introduced sometime during 1974 on the Mk II and Mk IIA and also used on the Mk III's. This grab rail was used on both Interstate and Roadsters.

    A couple identifiable differences between this and the earlier type grab rails are that the base of this grab rail is shorter and it is also straight at the base. Also the mounting brackets are U-shaped and require longer bolts for mounting.

    I hope this is of some help.



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  6. p400

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    What is the proper key set for a 1975 MkIII?
    I think I see a seat lock, steering lock and ignition.
    One for all?
    What does the keyhead look like? picture?

    number stampings on key? picture?

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  7. Deets55

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    Mine has a different key for each lock.
    My grab bar is similar to the one pictured above with the “U” shaped mounting lugs. Not sure what the other one looks like.
    Pete
     
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  8. L.A.B.

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    Seat and ignition are the usual Wilmot Breeden UNION FS type key.

    Mk3 steering lock is Neiman.


    Union:
    https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Lucas-NOS-3...ic-Mini-etc-/202585948686?hash=item2f2b10420e

    Neiman:
    https://andover-norton.co.uk/en/shop-details/16522


    'FS' and 3-digit code number.
     
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  9. p400

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    Thank you both very much.

    Where are details, in literature, to explain the accessories plug to run a shaver and/or 12v item please?

    Watts available, possible fusing, limitation?

    Is there a Norton shaver?

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  10. worntorn

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    Big fib re the new exhaust. They claim it increased power. In truth it killed the top end and harmed midrange as well.

    Glen
     
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    Will the ignition and seat lock match?
    Is this the correct keyhead?
    or are there variations?


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  12. L.A.B.

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  13. Deets55

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    As Les stated both ignition and seat are FSxxx, but have different cuts, so they are not interchangeable. Steering lock is a Neiman steel key. I should have been a little clearer in my response when I said three different keys.
    Pete


    EDIT. Just saw that last question about key head. My ignition has a round head, my seat has a square head (like you have shown). I suppose a locksmith could re-pin either lock to match the other. Steering lock is an entirely different animal.
     
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  14. p400

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    So this is it? No Norton shaver?

    What is the plug type ? Some Lucas standard or sumthin else?


    Power take off socket
    A pIug and socket, mounted on the right
    hand side of the battery tray, provides 12v
    at a maximum of 17½ amps for accessories,
    such as a radio or shaver, or may be used
    for battery charging. When appropriate,
    ensure that the plug is wired with the
    correct polarity. On this motorcycle, the
    positive, indicated by a red wire, is
    earthed (grounded).

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  15. L.A.B.

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    This ignition key, shown in this brochure, is showing a squarish head.

    Do both Union keys, ignition and seat, have the same grooving, and number of cuts?


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  17. Deets55

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    Yea that power take off is an interesting conversation piece. The thing to be aware of is that it is not fused separately. If it accidentally gets shorted the main fuse will blow and the bike won’t run till the fuse gets replaced.
    Pete
     
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  20. L.A.B.

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    Ignition and seat keys of mine are also grooved and cut differently or they would be if I'd been given a seat lock key and I didn't get a steering lock key either but the Neiman steering lock blank fits the seat lock.
     
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