1975 mk3 interstate about to purchase

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Hi again everyone been missing since I thought I had given up and sold my triton 4 or 5 years back but then I had a brainwave and thought electric start classic the T160 is to heavy so lets give a commando a try hence the heading, I am led to believe that the original starters on these never worked very well from new but there is an upgrade available that does the job very well so I would greatly appreciate some links and advice on this subject and also any other common niggles that arise with these commandos as this will be my first all going well, many thanks and look forward to reading your suggestions Chris
 
I am led to believe that the original starters on these never worked very well

My Mk3's original Prestolite starter works fine although it has the 4-brush (not 4 field coil) conversion as long as the battery is charged and failing to turn the engine over has much to do with the small original 14AH lead acid battery but modern starter motors (dynodave's starter motor etc.) are more efficient although fitting the 4 field coil conversion (4-brush is a slight improvement) can improve the output of the original Prestolite starter motor.
Plus the starter motor isn't generally expected to turn the engine over after the bike has been parked outside in below-freezing temperatures these days.
 
My MK III original starter was crap when i got it .. Bought a new Prestolite starter that ended up being not much better.. Around 2005 i had the starter rebuilt by a shop near me . 4 field coils and 4 brush plate powered by a AGM battery .. Packing everything in was a nightmare and while it did last and work well for a year it too crapped out .. Three years ago i bought the dynodave starter . What i spent on the new Prestolite starter and the rebuild was more than i spent on the dynodave starter . Now , by the time the button is bottomed out, the bike is running .. As for common niggles .. There are several and with a little more information about the state of the bike as it sits you will get a much better evaluation from the lads here

All i can say is .... good luck with what ever choice you make .
 
Hello Chris
do a search on this forum, try 'new starter what type' and it should bring up the mk 3 starter thread that i and others have contributed to.
Depending on what facilitys and skill level you have (or how deep your pockets are!) there are a few different options open to you.
Take a bog standard mk 3 for starters. !st Fit thicker cables, 2nd, ditch the prestolite solenoid and use one from a mini (lucas type)
Starter wise you have a few options.
If your bike has a functioning prestolite starter the first two things will improve its working, but, after forty plus years the inbuilt faults that the prestolite motor has, will surface and degrade its performance (the rotor will wear itself into the drive end plate until the windings start to short out) The original prestolites quality control wasn't the best, commutators machined out of true etc. That and they weren't weather sealed very well so they are prone to internal rustyness!
Cnw do a Mk3 norton starter, adapted from a new harley starter. Looks very similar to the original prestolite as harleys at one time used the same basic starter frame. $530
Dyno dave does a mk3 starter, i believe based on a hitachi or nippon denso starter. $375
Wosp do a starter that looks the same as the Dyno dave one. £315 on ebay
Holland norton works do one, looks like the DD one 369 euros
RGM do one, looks like a DD one £425
Norvil ditto £420

You can fit a four pole frame to the original prestolite and this will improve things, but, you will still be using a forty year old rotor and bush bearings. The four pole frame is from the new harley starters previously mentioned.
Don't pay more than £85 for the harley starter. There is one vendor on ebay punting these out for £125 Labeling them as 'Norton commando starter motor 4 coil case conversion'
This uses a four pole frame (as against the mk3 two pole frame) this frame can be swapped to upgrade the mk3 two pole motor. still leaves you with the rotor wearing problems.
If originality is your thing the original prestolite can be upgraded to much better performance, this entails fitting the two pole frame with four field coils, either replacements or additions to. Fitting the end plates with a ball race at the drive end and a needle roller in the brush end, and the four brush holder and brushes accordingly.
I have done this a few times for clients. Gives reliable starting from an original looking starter.
I have also converted quite a few Harley starters (Looks like the Cnw one) for customers, the last one i sold for £250
Like i said, depends on how deep your pockets are, and how bothered you are how the thing will look. The DD ones and its clones look to me like they were fitted to washing machines.
PM me if you want to know more. Where abouts in the uk are you?
Regards
Peter
 
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Hi and thanks for your replies obviously I will have to get a starter and upgrade the peri phials such as battery etc most people nowadays seem to be talking about lithium batteries as a good upgrade opinion and recommendations welcomed please many thanks Chris
 
Peter Shand is an NOC member who can recondition and apply various upgrades to the original starter.


Hi and thanks for your replies obviously I will have to get a starter and upgrade the peri phials such as battery etc most people nowadays seem to be talking about lithium batteries as a good upgrade opinion and recommendations welcomed please many thanks Chris
AGM battery. don't need to do anything with the charging system and its cheaper
 
Ditto to everything Peter has already said, though I just did the bargain basement 'four pole/four brush' ebay replacement for the original Prestolite. Quite straight forward, though the end cap needed shimming. With new leads, solenoid and AGM battery it span fine...
 
the new starter from Norvil spins the motor really well on mine, and doesn’t need any other changes. If you want to change to negative earth, it still spins the same way.
 
My MK3 had the four brush conversion and heavy cables added by Poke's Cycle, Seattle in 1993.
It starts the bike really easily, cold or hot. Cold would not be subzero c though, as I don't ride in that weather.
Glen
 
I think mine is a bog standard starter, 16Ah AGM (kept connected to a battery tender). Always clutch in. Starts well. Starts as well cold (with the enrichener) as hot. No one's mentioning the sprag bearing...?
 
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Hi again everyone been missing since I thought I had given up and sold my triton 4 or 5 years back but then I had a brainwave and thought electric start classic the T160 is to heavy so lets give a commando a try hence the heading, I am led to believe that the original starters on these never worked very well from new but there is an upgrade available that does the job very well so I would greatly appreciate some links and advice on this subject and also any other common niggles that arise with these commandos as this will be my first all going well, many thanks and look forward to reading your suggestions Chris
@dynodave starter upgrade - http://atlanticgreen.com/store.htm

CNW Mk3 starter drive upgrade - https://coloradonortonworks.net/mk3-starter-drive-upgrade.html

Or, just by any previous year bike and get one of these beauties that turn the motor like butter (trust me, I'm biased) - https://coloradonortonworks.net/cnw-elctric-start-conversion-1.html
 
Don't let the starter problems stop you from buying. We all have gone thru this with Lucas/Prestolite. It's a British bike. Fix what needs to be fixed as you need to. Enjoy riding it! If you can't kick it over, someone will give you a push (use 2nd of 3rd gear). The sprag system has had some upgrade that should be addressed when you upgrade the starter motor. Did I say ride it have fun!?!?
 
I am led to believe that the original starters on these never worked very well from new but there is an upgrade available that does the job very well...
And, of course, the starter motor could have already been upgraded unless you know otherwise?
 
Hi again everyone been missing since I thought I had given up and sold my triton 4 or 5 years back but then I had a brainwave and thought electric start classic the T160 is to heavy so lets give a commando a try hence the heading, I am led to believe that the original starters on these never worked very well from new but there is an upgrade available that does the job very well so I would greatly appreciate some links and advice on this subject and also any other common niggles that arise with these commandos as this will be my first all going well, many thanks and look forward to reading your suggestions Chris
Why not buy a Commando with the shifter on the proper side and add a cNw starter - you won't have any starting issues even if you ride in Antarctica! Sorry guys, just had to :)

Kidding aside, if you want a left-shift Norton there's no need to fear the starter - most have been upgraded and it's not ridiculously expensive to do it if not.
 
There's a lot more to the MK3 than just the estart-
If you search through various threads you will see quite a number of pre mk3 bikes getting upgraded to MK3 style items.
This thread spells out some of the items that were unique to the MK3 model.

Glen

 
My original starter on my Interstate worked great. Heavier wires and a good cleaning & dressing of the commutator was all it ever got.
 
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