1967 P11 USA

NorTriDuc

NorTriDuc

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Hello Guy and Gals
I’m in the market for a 1967 P11 and I’ve found one here in the states, I’m no pro, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me what are some things to look for to tell of its originality.
I know these are only pictures, but does anything look odd or out of place that would raise concern?
Thank you all.


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I know there are specific variants of the front hub, but I DON'T know which is which for accuracy.

That's an awfully nice-looking bike. If you are NOT aiming at entering it in concourse-judged shows, I'd just get busy ENJOYING it!
 
Looks quite correct to me. Just like my P-11, but mine has the later taillight and a stainless steel front fender. The fender should be aluminum, and the taillight should be like the one in ypur picture.
Randy is good to deal with.
 
One question, why do you want a P11? You need to know they are vibratory beasts! If you intend to use if for trips north of 30 miles, look for a Commando SS instead.

Ohh, the P11 can be somewhat civilized at high cost.

- Knut
 
I'm not a restoration guy. However, the hub caps on the right side (sitting on the bike) are missing from the front and rear hubs. Somebody may say the '67 didn't have hub caps, but I have a numbers matching P11 built in 1967 I bought in boxes in 1972 and it had the hub caps on the hubs. That front hub is correct as is the rear.

As mentioned, making the ride on a P11 smoother is expensive. I've done it. I've ridden 470 mile round trip days on mine, but I could barely feel my hands the last 15 miles. 🤣

I have to wonder if that bike was restored by one of the members here. There is a video out there on YouTube with somebody taking a test ride from Baxters on a P11. May or may not be that same bike.
 
Mine did not have hub caps, from new. You are correct, the hubs are the right ones (no fins)
Not sure there are 2 P11's that are exactly alike, even from the factory.
 
There is the P11 with upswept scrambler pipes, and there is the P11 Ranger with downswept pipes.

(P11A?)
 
mdt-son said:
One question, why do you want a P11? You need to know they are vibratory beasts! If you intend to use if for trips north of 30 miles, look for a Commando SS instead.

Ohh, the P11 can be somewhat civilized at high cost.

- Knut
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I have 12 bikes ranging from 1950 to 2024.
From Triumphs, Nortons and Ducatis.
I’m not looking for a highway cruiser.
 
gnolan said:
Not sure there are 2 P11's that are exactly alike, even from the factory.
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The factory employed batch production varying from 50 to 300 units, and even had build books. Within a batch, all bikes were alike. For a huge factory such as AMC at Plumstead / London, it is impossible to run production in any other way.
However, AMC did make some justifications between batches to rectify critical faults, such as the oil tank splitting fault. No changes to visual appearance were made though.

Cut-off dates for introduction of the face-lifted models were carefully planned of course. For instance, assembly of the P11A began January 1968. For Colin Seeley to produce the new GRP seat pans or the new die-cast tail light housing would have required months of planning, prototyping, testing, approval, and building stocks. An even greater make-over appeared during the summer of 1968 in preparation for the P11A Ranger.

- Knut
 
NorTriDuc said:
I have 12 bikes ranging from 1950 to 2024.
From Triumphs, Nortons and Ducatis.
I’m not looking for a highway cruiser.
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Good because even though my P11 is smooth for a solid mounted Norton twin powered motorcycle, it is not fun at all droning on long Hwy sections. The P11 is a fun bike on tight winding roads. Only thing that isn't fun if you want to pick up the pace on the street is the front brake. It is a very narrow 7-inch SLS brake.
 
grandpaul said:
There is the P11 with upswept scrambler pipes, and there is the P11 Ranger with downswept pipes.

(P11A?)
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And the Ranger 750 with decal on tank, longest rear fender. There were three distinct models. 1967 P11 commonly called the hi-pipe but was intended to be called the 'Cheetah 45'. The 1968 P11A with low pipes, cast alloy taillight, a chainguard, steel oil tank, steel fenders, and several other minor differences. At some point in production it was called the 'P11A Ranger'. And finally the Ranger 750 which was built in October 1968 as a single batch of 497. These had several differences from the P11A, including the seat, rear fender, decal no tank badge, gold striping, and a Commando head casting machined as the Atlas/N15. These were sold as 1969 models.
 
Ron L said:
And the Ranger 750 with decal on tank, longest rear fender. There were three distinct models. 1967 P11 commonly called the hi-pipe but was intended to be called the 'Cheetah 45'. The 1968 P11A with low pipes, cast alloy taillight, a chainguard, steel oil tank, steel fenders, and several other minor differences. At some point in production it was called the 'P11A Ranger'. And finally the Ranger 750 which was built in October 1968 as a single batch of 497. These had several differences from the P11A, including the seat, rear fender, decal no tank badge, gold striping, and a Commando head casting machined as the Atlas/N15. These were sold as 1969 models.
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Nice to know that info, which I will dutifully forget as soon as I click away.

Still, it's here for reference!
 
NorTriDuc, the bike is too shiny to be a survivor. Still, a nice restoration, using parts from the later P11A. Does it come with a traceable history?
Alloy spacers at the inlet manifold were not fitted at the factory. Timing cover is wrong for this early model (rev counter cable should go straight up).
Engine and frame numbers don't match (9 units apart). The engine serial number stamping looks crisp, almost too good to be trustworthy.

The polished appearance makes me reserved.

- Knut
 
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mdt-son said:
NorTriDuc, the bike is too shiny to be a survivor. Still, a nice restoration, using parts from the later P11A. Does it come with a traceable history?
Alloy spacers at the inlet manifold were not fitted at the factory. Timing cover is wrong for this early model (rev counter cable should go straight up).
Engine and frame numbers don't match (9 units apart). The engine serial number stamping looks crisp, almost too good to be trustworthy.

The polished appearance makes me reserved.

- Knut
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I don’t know where you’re getting the engine and frame numbers not matching. They do match.

Who said it was a survivor?

The seller is Baxter cycles. Very reputable.
 
NorTriDuc said:
I don’t know where you’re getting the engine and frame numbers not matching. They do match.

Who said it was a survivor?

The seller is Baxter cycles. Very reputable.
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Did you buy it?

It’s a lovely looking bike.

Been tempted by one of these before myself, but managed to resist.
 
NorTriDuc said:
I don’t know where you’re getting the engine and frame numbers not matching. They do match.
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Unless the photos are faulty, the numbers don't match. Frame S/N 121209, engine S/N 121200.
You asked for comments, and my comment was, it's not a genuine survivor. If you don't like my comment, step over.

- Knut
 

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